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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2015, 10:47:16 AM »
Csmart

Sounds like youre still unsure of everything even after our pms

With regards to zone and counter and veer.

Zone is "0" or "+1"
Counter...power...veer is "-1" (veer if theres only 5 dlm)

You over complicate through you looking for simplicity. 

If you can count you can block with ease... have a front that doesnt fit the count exactly make a call...thats how I started using my "+1" call

I haven't had the pleasure of chatting via pm with you?
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2015, 12:47:13 PM »
Zach: are you using a TE?

I know we will use OSV this year and we'll just TKO it. Hell we've adapted TKO to about 90% of our offense. It has made things much easier for us. We don't need to worry about a lot of stuff.

As far as the wedge version of veer goes I see it as scoop and track. Scoop to the POA to get to your track and climb. Now it is a little more complicated but not much.

No TE...

The wedge scheme in its purist form is just steps and let the defense fall into it more or less.

I like the count bc its easier for me to coach and not a lot of room for error
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2015, 12:59:51 PM »
My kids brain crap once they have to count and people are moving around.  We put them on tracks and let them go. 

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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2015, 01:28:56 PM »
My kids brain crap once they have to count and people are moving around.  We put them on tracks and let them go.

I can definitely see that happening, which is why I like the combo calls. I don't see why this is can be thought of as making too much out of something. My line will only need to know which tackle is making the initial call. Zone/stretch right it's the right tackle and we block as zone right. Trap/counter RIGHT it's the LEFT tackle and we block as zone left. Simple. This way I don't have to teach my kids any more than one scheme, zone (though, in effect they are learning GAP, but why complicate it by calling it something else when it's just zone opposite)

To the OL, Zone RIGHT and Trap LEFT are the same play.  Only the backside tackle needs to know that he is trapping. And if we want to run power, we can just add a tag to Trap and wrap the H back up in there. K.I.S.S. for the OL, so they can play fast and aggressive.
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2015, 11:34:42 AM »
My kids brain crap once they have to count and people are moving around.  We put them on tracks and let them go.

Faced stemming fronts multiple times...eventually they will stop dancing... or we stop them from dancing with quick or silent snap count. 

Faced and amoeba once...they didnt amoeba too much longer.
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2015, 11:35:57 AM »
I can definitely see that happening, which is why I like the combo calls. I don't see why this is can be thought of as making too much out of something. My line will only need to know which tackle is making the initial call. Zone/stretch right it's the right tackle and we block as zone right. Trap/counter RIGHT it's the LEFT tackle and we block as zone left. Simple. This way I don't have to teach my kids any more than one scheme, zone (though, in effect they are learning GAP, but why complicate it by calling it something else when it's just zone opposite)

To the OL, Zone RIGHT and Trap LEFT are the same play.  Only the backside tackle needs to know that he is trapping. And if we want to run power, we can just add a tag to Trap and wrap the H back up in there. K.I.S.S. for the OL, so they can play fast and aggressive.

My help is of no value...do it your way...in 9 months youll be back saying you shouldve listened...im done with trying to help "askholes"

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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2015, 11:41:12 AM »
My help is of no value...do it your way...in 9 months youll be back saying you shouldve listened...im done with trying to help "askholes"


LOL


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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2015, 12:02:41 PM »
Wow. Is this serious?  I am an "askhole"?  Just because I want to do something a little differently? This forum, to me at least, is merely a place for guys who are passionate about coaching football to bounce ideas off and/or learn from each other. 

Therefore, if you don't agree with a concept or question, please don't reply.  I actually was looking forward to picking your brain a bit, as I was told that you are on the DLM read side of the zone fence.  However, now I am not so certain you can/will be respectful enough to entertain other ideas than your own, or the ones you utilize.

Moving forward, I enjoy being a member of this board and its multitude of coaching flavors and completely embrace any constructive criticism and advice from all coaches here as we all continue on our coaching journey.
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2015, 12:04:18 PM »
Also, I've received a PM from you ZACH, possibly you have me confused with someone else?
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2015, 12:11:45 PM »
bounce ideas off

Sometimes the ideas come back with a little heat.

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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2015, 12:21:56 PM »
Sometimes the ideas come back with a little heat.

:)

Expected and tolerated.  I just a confused a bit, as I haven't chatted with zach, yet he is fed up with me. LOL. 8)
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2015, 12:24:11 PM »
Expected and tolerated.  I just a confused a bit, as I haven't chatted with zach, yet he is fed up with me. LOL. 8)


....Im confused as well.  :-\
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2015, 12:27:04 PM »

....Im confused as well.  :-\

That's good to see.  There are a lot of times when you are delirious and completely unaware of it.  And by "you" I mean you.
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2015, 12:32:47 PM »
Before I came here I was confused about this subject. Having listened to your lecture I am still confused. But on a higher level. :D
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Re: Zone concept for counter/trap/veer plays
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2015, 12:41:07 PM »
That's good to see.  There are a lot of times when you are delirious and completely unaware of it.  And by "you" I mean you.


Its all part of the process.  ;)
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