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Zone blocking out of a tight bunch
« on: December 08, 2016, 06:10:25 PM »
After taking a much needed break from football after our season I'm ready to get back at it. 

A question i have is how would the blocking work if you're running zone to the bunch side out of a tight bunch?
specifically how would the bunch guys be blocking if all 3 are blocking at POA so there isn't a fullback or reciever coming across blocking backside d end?
Would a count even work because it's a 5 man surface?
And if doing a count would te or inside bunch guy have #3 or could they just straight double team and outside guy has #4?

Thanks

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Re: Zone blocking out of a tight bunch
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2016, 07:08:03 PM »
We dont count the bunch as blockers in the box

Our bunch would look like this

------#--0--0----x
-----------------h----z

H would count if we kept him playside
X and z are following slot rules for rb... so vertical push
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Re: Zone blocking out of a tight bunch
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2016, 09:45:40 PM »
Agreed, Zone is usually dependent upon the numbers on the LOS. For me Zone is predicated on TE or Ghost TE.  "Bunch" is different based on Scheme.  What Zach has drawn I'd call Power.     

To that end, what are you trying to do with ZONE?   IZ, OZ, or Stretch?  To that point Zone is as much the RB as it is the blocking scheme.  A poorly Coached RB will make the BEST Zone OL look like Fools! 

A good Zone RB will bring the Defense to the Blockers and exploit the over pursuit and/or "Cracks" in the wall! 

The past 2 years, DW Formation (2 SE's), I was strictly IZ Left or Right.  I wanted to ensure we could run between the Tackles.  2 Line Calls  Gator and Tango (Kids Called It).  Simply put Gator C/G Combo.  Tango G/T Combo.  Pound the FB and Go Opposite ISLB.  5 yards was the Goal.         

All other plays had their Own Rules! 

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Re: Zone blocking out of a tight bunch
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 12:11:31 AM »
We dont count the bunch as blockers in the box

Our bunch would look like this

------#--0--0----x
-----------------h----z

H would count if we kept him playside
X and z are following slot rules for rb... so vertical push

Yea that's the look i wanted. That makes sense to me thanks

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Re: Zone blocking out of a tight bunch
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 12:24:39 AM »
   

To that end, what are you trying to do with ZONE?   IZ, OZ, or Stretch?  To that point Zone is as much the RB as it is the blocking scheme. 

of course the running back aspect is to me the whole point  of it and why the scheme works so well

 I was strictly IZ Left or Right.  Pound the FB and Go Opposite ISLB.  5 yards was the Goal.       

our only loss this year was 6-0 to a team that will be playing tomorrow for a national championship and that's all they did.  They were reading our islb and cutting off of him. 3 yards and then their back would fall forward to make 4 or 5 every play.  They only scored 6 but they dominated time of possession we only had 4 possessions all game.  It was a bitch to play against


 

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Re: Zone blocking out of a tight bunch
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2016, 02:22:46 AM »
Yea that's the look i wanted. That makes sense to me thanks

No problem

Our base rule for the H is backside 3 or 4 on everyzone play...only when we call for him to stay playside or lead to a lb does that change.

We did a bunch with the Y one year

Indian
-----#--0--0----y
----------------H

Chief
------#--0--0---y
-----------------h----z

* I apologize now if these formation calls offend you

In chief we count the y as 3 and H as 4 in a base zone call, we also have a lead nose and a iso which puts H on 2 and tackle on 3, y on 4
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Re: Zone blocking out of a tight bunch
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2016, 06:31:36 AM »
its a two back set, at least in theory and concept. If you can wrap around that, what Zach is telling you will be easier to understand and you wont be limited to just bunch sets.
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Re: Zone blocking out of a tight bunch
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2016, 12:00:31 PM »


we also have a lead nose and a iso which puts H on 2 and tackle on 3, y on 4

Is this like a wham then?  If so then very cool

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Re: Zone blocking out of a tight bunch
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2016, 07:39:47 PM »
Is this like a wham then?  If so then very cool

Yea some people call it wham

 This is usually during playoffs we use it, we introduce it mid season
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