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Offline nwmocb

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IZ v a bear front
« on: August 09, 2017, 11:01:31 AM »
What are your thoughts on running IZ v a bear front?  I drew it up and didn't like because it's pack in there.  Any sucess with this?  Amy alternatives if not

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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 11:06:56 AM »
What are your thoughts on running IZ v a bear front?  I drew it up and didn't like because it's pack in there.  Any sucess with this?  Amy alternatives if not
What set are you running it out of? Spread or Pro?

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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2017, 01:53:07 PM »
What are your thoughts on running IZ v a bear front?  I drew it up and didn't like because it's pack in there.  Any sucess with this?  Amy alternatives if not

Not a fan.  Just too many bodies in too little space.  Against a Bear what you want to do is get the ball outside or throw the ball.  You may also have some success off tackle.

That doesn't mean that IZ blocking is useless vs. a Bear front.  One of the better ways to use it is to run IZ blocking one way and and run a speed option off the BSDE the other way.

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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2017, 02:15:40 PM »
What are your thoughts on running IZ v a bear front?  I drew it up and didn't like because it's pack in there.  Any sucess with this?  Amy alternatives if not
Sort of like running off tackle to an okie front. Why do it? A gap or two over and you probably have a bubble.

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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2017, 11:00:55 AM »
A bear front would you give you two red reads due to two 3-techs.   Dont run IZ into red.

Counter and power always worked well for us vs. red.

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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2017, 12:18:54 PM »
A bear front would you give you two red reads due to two 3-techs.   Dont run IZ into red.

Counter and power always worked well for us vs. red.
And this is why I think most zone guys still install a few gap schemes. To me a bear screams power or counter. Not that oz would be wrong.

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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 12:22:35 PM »
I would run OZ vs. a bear front. Then again I am not running IZ and OZ. Zone is Zone to us.

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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2017, 12:48:07 PM »
Bear front or solid is not good for tight zone/ inside zone

Doesn't mean you cant... just not optimal

B gap open...we run tight/iz
B gap closed we run wide/oz

If you want a garunteed roll back style sure...
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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 02:27:47 PM »
And this is why I think most zone guys still install a few gap schemes. To me a bear screams power or counter. Not that oz would be wrong.

IZ, OZ, and Counter all compliment each other so well at all levels.

I've thought in the past that, if you were in a pinch, IZ could be your one and only run blocking scheme with different actions and reads, but I also believe it's optimal that every team who majors in zone should also install the one gap scheme just to downblock and kick out a defense that's plugging up the zone pretty well.  That could be Counter, but it could just as easily be Trap since there's not a ton of difference.

The higher up you go in age group, the better that Counter compliments IZ because the OL's first steps look so similar, but the plays go in opposite directions.

For us, we teach our zones as "track zone" anyway, so IZ and Power/Counter are basically the same thing in terms of rules, but with the tracks inverted on the playside of the gap stuff.

Zone=block playside gap
Gap=block inside gap

The only difference between IZ and OZ is that we base block on IZ and reach block on OZ.

The only real difference between Power and Counter for us is that the H-Back and BSG switch jobs.  We also run a ton of Buck Sweep and some Trap, which are also based around the core Gap concept.

Our "uncovered" guys (determined by who has a threat in his gap) use the exact same technique on both: work vertically through the near number of a DL who's head up/shaded away from your track and keep your eyes and arm in the gap free.

We get tons of carry over from these things and keep it simple.

The only things about trying to run Power or Counter vs. a 3-0-3 look (especially if it's a true Bear front with a 7 and a 9 tech both on the TE) are:

A.)  It's hard to get someone to BSLB because there's someone in everybody's downblock track (not such a big deal if you use a TE and they leave a bubble in C gap).

B.)  It can be hard to get your BSG out without the 3 tech chasing in his hip pocket.  You can have the C block way back and G block down on the NG, but that can be a tough block for the C to make.

The classic answer vs. a 1 high true Bear front, and the main reason that never really caught on in HS or college and dominated the way it did in the NFL for a few years, was to run option weak and pitch off the DE, since the defense is a man down there.
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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2017, 03:07:39 PM »
Like everyone else said... speed option, gap, throw the football, etc.

As for running the inside zone vs a bear:
PST: Emol
PSG: 3 tech
C: combo nose to backer
BSG: Combo with center
BST: 3 tech

with all that being said, you are basically going to wash everything down and the runner is going to cut the ball behind the 3 tech.
its up to the q to hold the backside emol/ who ever is blocking him

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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2017, 03:13:22 PM »
Bend the knee
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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2017, 02:55:41 AM »
IZ vs bear in cov 1 or cov 3 is not horrible.  Its not the best, but it's doable.  If they are in cov 0, it's a nonstarter. 

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Re: IZ v a bear front
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2017, 09:17:37 PM »
Bend the knee

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