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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2017, 12:57:21 PM »
Well, Dave, my teams have struggled to close a ONE MAN pulling gap - I haven't pulled G and T since the first half of the 2010 season.  I can't even imagine trying to close a two man gap, LOL.

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2017, 01:03:10 PM »


Are you guys playing by NFHS rules?

Scramble blocking and cutting are still legal in the FBZ as long as you can get in front of the defender to do it.  It's clipping (which might include "shoeshine") that was outlawed in the FBZ a year ago.

https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-content/football-rules-changes-2017/

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2017, 01:15:14 PM »
To me, pulling has always been a simple matter of getting out of a stance, running from A to B and throwing a block. In the DW, it took some time and effort to get right due to the tight spaces and precise footwork. I've always been curious why many coaches think that there's some "magic" involved when you ask a lineman to do this.
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Three drills took the "magic" out of it:
     1) Blocking circuit (early season) - we positioned players based on natural abilities.  We had no time (nor patience) to try and make a square peg round.  If you can't seal or kickout block, you certainly aren't playing guard, tackle or fullback.
     2) Funnel drill.  Lots of funnel drill!  This is essential for finding bodies in space.  Also helps hone the control and aggressiveness of the block.
     3) Towel drill - Not only did this help the running backs, it also "pushed" the pullers to get into the hole at full speed.

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2017, 01:38:58 PM »
my teams have struggled to close a ONE MAN pulling gap

John, how deep are you off the LOS?  We are D E E P.  As a matter of fact, the refs started in on us about how deep were were on the LOS, how close my Fullback was to the LOS and our shifting.  We were never penalized and I had to tell them what was legal and what wasn't.  They said they were getting complaints from the other team's coaches.  I asked if I could complain about them.  Stupid, pre-teen little girl complaints.  Either throw a flag on us, or shut up. 

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2017, 01:40:44 PM »
Are you guys playing by NFHS rules?

--Yes..

Scramble blocking and cutting are still legal in the FBZ as long as you can get in front of the defender to do it.  It's clipping (which might include "shoeshine") that was outlawed in the FBZ a year ago.

--I know.  But getting the officials to understand the difference takes an act of congress.  And not even then.

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2017, 01:49:17 PM »
John, how deep are you off the LOS? 

Deep.  Apparently not deep enough.  I am HOPING last year was an aberration - short roster, few options.  I THINK I have a couple of kids who can do it this year.  But again, as always, it's a struggle with the MPR and the fact I need some of those positions to put kids in who have limitations.

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2017, 02:03:20 PM »
CoachDP,

I know that feeling...

After the last 4 years, I've given up trying to explain the concept of "illegal man downfield."  When your FS is being blocked by the LG on a pass play, something's wrong...

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2017, 03:02:50 PM »
Lar,

Three drills took the "magic" out of it:
     1) Blocking circuit (early season) - we positioned players based on natural abilities.  We had no time (nor patience) to try and make a square peg round.  If you can't seal or kickout block, you certainly aren't playing guard, tackle or fullback.
     2) Funnel drill.  Lots of funnel drill!  This is essential for finding bodies in space.  Also helps hone the control and aggressiveness of the block.
     3) Towel drill - Not only did this help the running backs, it also "pushed" the pullers to get into the hole at full speed.

Kent

For sure. The exception was those two twins who wouldn't look us in the eye. Two square pegs if I ever saw one and both turned out to be relentless pullers.
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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2017, 03:07:05 PM »
For sure. The exception was those two twins who wouldn't look us in the eye. Two square pegs if I ever saw one and both turned out to be relentless pullers.

For those two it was getting over their fear of...EVERYTHING!  Cripes, they had a hard time talking to someone they didn't know let alone hit somebody.

One of those kids went on to play through high school.  The other gave up football in the 8th grade.

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2017, 03:23:06 PM »
ONE ANSWER 4 ALL CIRCLE DRILL ......
Can you diagram this kind sir?

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2017, 03:35:28 PM »
In reading some threads, I become reminded about the difficulty in teaching the pull successfully.  Some coaches simply refuse to teach it because it's too hard or takes too much time.  I am hoping to see a list of what coaches find challenging about teaching the pull.

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For those coaches I simply believe it is because they can't coach it.  I have seen kids do some pretty amazing things when TAUGHT correctly.  The simplest approach is to write off ones perceptions as reality.  We have heard and read all too often how the kids "can't" do this or that.  That is true when they haven't been instructed how and why.  But just because some one believes they can't isn't proof that they can't.

I would like to see what was challenging for those coaches who struggle to teach pulling.  And I am not thinking of Mahonz who chooses not to pull because he would prefer to spend time on other things.

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2017, 04:49:31 PM »
Dave,

For those coaches I simply believe it is because they can't coach it.  I have seen kids do some pretty amazing things when TAUGHT correctly.  The simplest approach is to write off ones perceptions as reality.  We have heard and read all too often how the kids "can't" do this or that.  That is true when they haven't been instructed how and why.  But just because some one believes they can't isn't proof that they can't.

I would like to see what was challenging for those coaches who struggle to teach pulling.  And I am not thinking of Mahonz who chooses not to pull because he would prefer to spend time on other things.

Kent

Very true. I simply decided pulling wasn't really for me. Its a philosophy thing. I even happily coached up the DW by the book one season.
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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2017, 05:35:55 PM »
They ditch it in practice.

We go over steps EVERY DAY for 20+ minutes. First step bird dogs. Then get-offs. Then against shields. Everybody does them. Then we start live hitting yesterday and it's like they forgot what they just did 10 minutes earlier. Who just leans their body out. Who never moves their feet. Who takes their first step backwards. Really?!!!

In my experience the hardest thing to teach kids is to bend their knees, stay low, & otherittle things like ripping w/ the elbows & getting skinny.
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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2017, 10:27:42 PM »
How do you teach pulling? With a bucket step or a cross over step?

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Re: What's Difficult About the Pull?
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2017, 11:20:05 PM »
How do you teach pulling? With a bucket step or a cross over step?

Bucket step for open pull.
Crossover step for skip pull.

It's a little different from a "bucket step" on zone, though.  It has to be more sudden and the upper body has to move with force to generate more torque out of the blocks and on the second step to get momentum going.