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23/24
« on: August 08, 2018, 04:28:02 PM »
If I am not going to run option as I don't have the QB(but am running 38 power toss/47 Toss) there is no point in:

having the HB run a pitch route going right on 24 or the WB running the pitch going left on 23, correct? or have I confused myself?

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Re: 23/24
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2018, 04:43:03 PM »
Carry out wha ever fake you want to complete your series...option fake, toss fake...pass fake...whatever...
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Re: 23/24
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 08:10:00 PM »
Yes there is pointS. \

Keep the Defense Honest and on their heels. In this offense because of the those actions the Def 2nd level has to wait to react because it looks like they have an AT Read and Outside Read in same play....READ THEM...

Makes a wide DE/LB have to slow play also. He has 2 choices....Squeeze or Contain....READ HIM ALL GAME and Make him wrong as much as possible! IMO that is one of the biggest keys to running this Offense if not the Biggest. And a lot more O's.
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Re: 23/24
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2018, 09:08:12 PM »
If I am not going to run option as I don't have the QB(but am running 38 power toss/47 Toss) there is no point in:

having the HB run a pitch route going right on 24 or the WB running the pitch going left on 23, correct? or have I confused myself?
Your other plan could be to make the offense more like an Offset I with the HB now more of a blocking FB type and Lead and move around to get in position to block. I do that a little but only because I am coaching 7-9 yr olds. Couple years ago the HC I was with would almost always go HBover or backs over to run 24/26 to get that extra blocker inside. In his defense the team did not have a true HB or WB type kid.
It worked for him for the most part.
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Re: 23/24
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2018, 10:12:46 PM »
Yes there is pointS. \

Keep the Defense Honest and on their heels. In this offense because of the those actions the Def 2nd level has to wait to react because it looks like they have an AT Read and Outside Read in same play....READ THEM...



After you’ve been scouted is there a tendency of the Will to move right towards the 4/6 hole on 24 if his coach tells him to key the HB for interior plays? Likewise the Mike going left on 23 if he is told to key the WB motioning deeper rather than flat to the 6 hole? Or does that just not happen in y’alls experience?

I plan for the QB to carry out the roll out pass fake on 23/24.

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Re: 23/24
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2018, 10:58:39 PM »
Will still has to sit til our 3rd step before he can react or he may chose wrong. If they put only Will to take care of my FB and DE for outside and if my FB can't pick a shoulder or stiff arm the Will for 3-4 yads I'm finding a different FB. I want a FB that one [layer can't tackle alone. But HB Slot chould take care of Will sitting in 4 hole. Or Run 25 Power and now we kicking DE leading on Will and lets see what we get. IJS this O has an answer for almost everything. Now kids just have to run it correctly.
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Re: 23/24
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2018, 02:18:00 AM »
"Pass Right Zero Open" will force coverage on the HB on "24".
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Re: 23/24
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2018, 08:50:21 AM »
If I am not going to run option as I don't have the QB(but am running 38 power toss/47 Toss) there is no point in:

having the HB run a pitch route going right on 24 or the WB running the pitch going left on 23, correct? or have I confused myself?

This is the only way i can think to explain this.. power t... just watcgh the clip... tell me if it clicks

https://youtu.be/uq7ATf6mVEY
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Re: 23/24
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2018, 10:15:28 AM »
If I am not going to run option as I don't have the QB(but am running 38 power toss/47 Toss) there is no point in:

having the HB run a pitch route going right on 24 or the WB running the pitch going left on 23, correct? or have I confused myself?

23 = base action for your WB is same as 24. Track blocking through the TE nasty split looking DT to LB. If you orbit him when you run 23 it’s a tell. Track blocking going right, orbit motion going left.

You can do lots of things with the WB. Move him to the weak side and see if it pulls out a defender to make running 23 easier. Jet him across and see anyone follows. If they don’t run jet pass or 56 power screen. If they do run wherever they moved the player following the WB. If it was the corner and you don’t run option run 16 sweep, 36 sweep, slot over pass right. HB runs the WB’s route from the slot, TE normal route....one of them is wide open after that corner vacated.

Just a few ideas.
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Re: 23/24
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2018, 12:22:28 PM »
If I am not going to run option as I don't have the QB(but am running 38 power toss/47 Toss) there is no point in:

having the HB run a pitch route going right on 24 or the WB running the pitch going left on 23, correct? or have I confused myself?

What are the reasons that you "don't have the QB"?

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Re: 23/24
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2018, 04:43:07 PM »
23 = base action for your WB is same as 24. Track blocking through the TE nasty split looking DT to LB. If you orbit him when you run 23 it’s a tell. Track blocking going right, orbit motion going left.

that was I thought as well and was my concern with the diagram at the bottom of the page

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You can do lots of things with the WB. Move him to the weak side and see if it pulls out a defender to make running 23 easier. Jet him across and see anyone follows. If they don’t run jet pass or 56 power screen. If they do run wherever they moved the player following the WB. If it was the corner and you don’t run option run 16 sweep, 36 sweep, slot over pass right. HB runs the WB’s route from the slot, TE normal route....one of them is wide open after that corner vacated.

Just a few ideas.

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Re: 23/24
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2018, 04:50:25 PM »
"Pass Right Zero Open" will force coverage on the HB on "24".

I can see that!

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Re: 23/24
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2018, 04:54:22 PM »
This is the only way i can think to explain this.. power t... just watcgh the clip... tell me if it clicks

https://youtu.be/uq7ATf6mVEY

I apparently have got the football dumbz coach(or have too much on my mind trying to manage coaches and find a freaking level field to practice on). What am I missing other then the deception?

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Re: 23/24
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2018, 04:56:57 PM »
I apparently have got the football dumbz coach(or have too much on my mind trying to manage coaches and find a freaking level field to practice on). What am I missing other then the deception?

Deception is everything, kind of a big deal in most T variants and attacks with series based play calling

1 good fake is worth 2 blocks

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Re: 23/24
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2018, 10:32:48 PM »
A lot of the point of DCWT is that each play (to a side) starts out looking like all the other plays to that side. If you're picking up good yards on 24, when you finally run 36/38 it's gonna go, mainly because the defense thinks they're getting 24 again.

I wish i had good film of it, but i've played a couple teams that we just hammered them with 23 and 24. Eventually nearly all 11 players are in the tackle box. That's when we run toss. The defense thinks they're getting 23/24 and we reel off a big gain.


My take on it anyway