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New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« on: March 01, 2019, 11:46:46 AM »
With the New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance), what are the best teaching and fit practices for offensive lineman running DCSW offense?

I am concern about losing the overall power created within the 3-point stance.

I am thinking:
Teach the 6-inch step, first from just the two-point stance and go from there.

Any Thoughts???

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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2019, 11:49:33 AM »
With the New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance), what are the best teaching and fit practices for offensive lineman running DCSW offense?

I am concern about losing the overall power created within the 3-point stance.

I am thinking:
Teach the 6-inch step, first from just the two-point stance and go from there.

Any Thoughts???

https://bit.ly/2EByrc3
The only difference between a 2 point and a 3 point is putting your hand on the ground. Just teach a low 2 point and you will be fine.
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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2019, 12:07:56 PM »
With the New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance), what are the best teaching and fit practices for offensive lineman running DCSW offense?

I am concern about losing the overall power created within the 3-point stance.

I am thinking:
Teach the 6-inch step, first from just the two-point stance and go from there.

Any Thoughts???

https://bit.ly/2EByrc3

Consider this

From an even heel 3 point stance it is near impossible to take any first step without your pad level elevating even slightly.

So start them in a two point stance with the pad level already elevated and stress taking your first steps without elevating their pad levels.

You may never go back to a 3 point stance again.

With the little dudes...their first action on both sides of the football is to stand up while taking any steps so just stress always being lower. You will be just fine.
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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2019, 09:57:00 AM »
The only difference between a 2 point and a 3 point is putting your hand on the ground.

True enough.  But then eliminating the 3-point does nothing for safety because the head is still in the same position.

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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2019, 11:10:49 AM »
Yeah, I read the press release...it doesn't say why a 2 point stance is safer....
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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2019, 11:11:20 AM »
Can go into a 4 point like the old bone?

DP has  great material on this "2 pt" stance, you wont lose any power upfront.
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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2019, 11:30:10 AM »
Yeah, I read the press release...it doesn't say why a 2 point stance is safer....

Its not. More hyperbole reaction to shrinking numbers.
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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2019, 11:59:33 AM »
Its not. More hyperbole reaction to shrinking numbers.

^ This.

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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2019, 12:39:17 PM »
I don't understand how you can fully load up from a 2 point stance. If it was equally as explosive, sprinters would just take off from a standing position. If they are claiming it's safer, I would really love to hear how?

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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2019, 01:30:53 PM »
I don't understand how you can fully load up from a 2 point stance. If it was equally as explosive, sprinters would just take off from a standing position. If they are claiming it's safer, I would really love to hear how?

Pm DP and ask.

Its not "better" than 3 its just better than any other alternative. If that makes sense
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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2019, 02:20:43 PM »
I don't understand how you can fully load up from a 2 point stance. If it was equally as explosive, sprinters would just take off from a standing position. If they are claiming it's safer, I would really love to hear how?

By that logic, a power lifter could dead lift or power clean more weight if his hands started on the ground.  I haven't coached a 3 point stance since 2012 and even then it was because for 1 season, I ran Cisar's UBSW right out of the book. I don't think a 2 point is any safer, but I believe when it comes to coaching a 3 point stance, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.  "Low man" only wins in a limbo contest.
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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2019, 03:34:21 PM »
I have no experience coaching o line out of 2 pt, so I have no frame of reference. It clearly works for many coaches and from an offensive standpoint it makes sense. I think a pass rush is much more effective from a 3 or 4 pt. My concern would be much more on the defensive side of the ball

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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2019, 04:50:55 PM »
I stopped DEMANDING a 3 Point stance years ago. 
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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2019, 10:43:12 PM »
The irony in all this "safety mandating a 2-point stance" is that some youth leagues require any player on the defensive line to be in a 3-point stance so that they don't have an "unfair advantage" ::) by standing over the offensive linemen.  To which my question would be, then why not stand up your offensive linemen?

Of course, the 2-point is only an advantage if it's coached well.  Just as the 3-point stance can be an advantage if it's coached well. 

However, unlike the 2-point and 4-point stances, you don't play football while in a 3-point stance.  What's the first thing a player in a 3-point stance does, as soon as the ball is snapped?  He gets out of the 3-point stance.

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Re: New Play Safer rule change (elimination of 3-point stance)
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2019, 11:03:28 PM »
I don't understand how you can fully load up from a 2 point stance.

--Ryan, I don't know what you mean by "fully load up."

If it was equally as explosive, sprinters would just take off from a standing position.

--I've never coached track, so I don't know.

If they are claiming it's safer, I would really love to hear how?

--This is a quote from the directive that I received from Pop Warner: "Eliminating the three-point stance should lessen the amount of force between linemen and we expect it will cut down on unintentional helmet contact at the line," said Dr. Julian Bailes, chairman of the Pop Warner Medical Advisory Committee, in the statement. 

--However, if you believe in coaching leverage, and believe the best way to be successful is to get underneath the pads of your opponent, then your 2-point stance should only differ from a 3-point in keeping the hand off the ground.  Nothing else should change: body positioning, height, or where the head is placed.  If you choose to play from a 2-point the way we do at MCHS, our head is back and we are in a squat with one foot cocked back.  But we are an Air Raid team and this positioning aids us in pass protection (we throw the ball a lot), and in zone blocking where we have lots of space, are running to an area and trying to log a defender or run him off.  In either case, we are galloping to an area at the snap of the ball.  I don't know very many Tiny Mites, Mitey Mites or Jr. PeeWees that are Spread/Zone, so this type of blocking position will not aid you.  And if you base block and want (under) leverage, the head is still out front of the body.  However, if you are primarily down blocking, then you can play as tall as you like, but it becomes harder to run between the Tight Ends if down blocking is your primary means because all gaps are closed by the down block.

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