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Offline headtrip

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free kick out of bounds
« on: November 28, 2012, 07:38:28 PM »
Anyone ever intentionally do it? I think that's the penalty anyway.

I was thinking that it's not a long kick for some of the older kids to aim for the 35 yd line. Even if it's  a little short it still beats most returns. If it's caught the runner is pinned to one sideline.

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 07:53:33 PM »
Anyone ever intentionally do it?
Absolutely.

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 09:15:26 PM »
Anyone ever intentionally do it? I think that's the penalty anyway.

I was thinking that it's not a long kick for some of the older kids to aim for the 35 yd line. Even if it's a little short it still beats most returns. If it's caught the runner is pinned to one sideline.
But if you're doing it to limit the runback, it doesn't work without the other team's cooperation, because in all the major codes they have the choice of having you repeat the kick from 5 yards back.  If I know you're doing this on purpose, that's the penalty I'd always take, rather than the other penalty or the out of bounds spot.

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 09:26:45 PM »
I've only coached 8 and 9's so far but this is what I plan to do with the 12's I'm going to coach next year.  Because from what I've seen playing and coaching teams always seem to put their biggest-fastest stud back deep and whoever kicks to them seems to get burnt. Plus field position starts to become much more important with the older kids, and their 35 is definitely much better than the 50  ::) But having an onside kick installed is definitely good too. For not only the reason of getting the ball, but for the reason Coach Bob stated as well.
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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 10:41:10 PM »
But if you're doing it to limit the runback, it doesn't work without the other team's cooperation, because in all the major codes they have the choice of having you repeat the kick from 5 yards back.  If I know you're doing this on purpose, that's the penalty I'd always take, rather than the other penalty or the out of bounds spot.

good point. i knew there was something i wasn't thinking of. I'll have to check my conference rules to see if they've amended the rules for a kick out of bounds. I've always liked the squib kick. it limits the return, but the ball still usually ends up around the 40- 45 yd line.

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 11:40:01 PM »
I never EVER kick it directly to the opponent!! 

I would much rather force them to beat me running offensive plays that get beat with a Kick Return or Punt Return for that matter!!  Dont care about the penalty I care about NO RETURNS!!

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2012, 08:24:14 AM »
We onsides kick to the sideline, have as many go out of bounds as any other result.  We've never been made to re-kick. 

And I don't blame them - we're trying to get the ball back, why would you take a chance on us recovering the next one for a measly 5 yards?

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2012, 09:47:23 AM »
We onsides kick to the sideline, have as many go out of bounds as any other result.  We've never been made to re-kick.

--Which is why we like to kick OOB.  We've been asked to re-kick, but on rare occasion.

And I don't blame them - we're trying to get the ball back, why would you take a chance on us recovering the next one for a measly 5 yards?

--We always make them re-kick.  I want them to put it in the field of play so we can return it and have the ball at the 50.

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2012, 05:55:58 PM »
We onsides kick to the sideline, have as many go out of bounds as any other result.  We've never been made to re-kick. 

And I don't blame them - we're trying to get the ball back, why would you take a chance on us recovering the next one for a measly 5 yards?
That's because you're not kicking out of bounds deliberately, you're kicking to give your team a shot at the ball while taking a chance the ball will go out of bounds.  In that case I wouldn't make you kick again -- unless your team isn't coming close to the ball, in which I'd call your bluff and make you kick again...unless your kick was so short that taking the result of the play is better than any penalty.

The original question was about kicking out of bounds deliberately to a spot farther downfield than the penalty spot of 25 yds. from the spot of the kick would be.  If you're just doing a typical "onsides kick", that wouldn't apply to your case.

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2012, 08:41:52 PM »
Like coach Goodman said, I'm trying to kick the ball as far downfield as possible while not allowing a return.i know from experience, not many people are going to give the kicking team a second chance at an onsides kick.

Anyone have experience teaching youth to pooch kick. That might accomplish the same thing without kicking the ball out of bounds

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2012, 09:30:09 PM »
That's because you're not kicking out of bounds deliberately, you're kicking to give your team a shot at the ball while taking a chance the ball will go out of bounds.  In that case I wouldn't make you kick again -- unless your team isn't coming close to the ball, in which I'd call your bluff and make you kick again...unless your kick was so short that taking the result of the play is better than any penalty.

The original question was about kicking out of bounds deliberately to a spot farther downfield than the penalty spot of 25 yds. from the spot of the kick would be.  If you're just doing a typical "onsides kick", that wouldn't apply to your case.

Ok, I get that.

HOWEVER, we also aim 25 yards down the field and try to recover it at the sideline, with the idea of either we get it or it goes OB.  And we usually come pretty close, enough to scare the other coach into just taking the ball.

If I had the choice of taking the ball at the 35 or receive a kick, I'd just take the ball, even though this year, I had three kids that were threats to return it all the way.  Of course, that also meant we had 8 kids out there that weren't.  I'd rather have the ball in the relatively controlled conditions of running my offense than in the uncontrolled conditions of a ball bouncing around free.

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Re: free kick out of bounds
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2012, 10:46:12 PM »
The point is you shouldn't be afraid of your kickoff accidentally going out of bounds deep if you kick towards a sideline, because most of us don't have kickers who could do much better kicking deep & down the middle.  The penalties aren't meant to seriously penalize teams in our circumstance.  However, they are meant to thwart anyone trying to kick out of bounds as a tactic.

In the early days of American football, teams did kick off out of bounds deliberately.  At first the penalty structure led to a big waste of time.  If you kicked off out of bounds, it was a do-over the 1st time.  2nd time, the other team got to kick off.  If they too kicked off out of bounds twice, then the original team scrimmaged at midfield.

Later they adopted the rule of allowing the receiving team to take the ball at a certain yard line in case of a kickoff out of bounds, and some teams still kicked out of bounds because with limited practice time, they chose not to work on kickoff coverage.  Finally the penalty that exists in all the major codes now that I mentioned upthread was adopted as a choice.  Then for a long interval in NCAA & NFL, that was the only penalty choice, with Fed being the only major code that also allowed the receiving team to take the ball some distance downfield from the spot of the free kick.  It was fairly recently that NFL & NCAA put that option back in.  Was it here or at forum.officiating.com that we had that discussion about what if that would be a spot behind R's goal line?