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3-5-3 vs Split Back Veer
« on: March 25, 2014, 02:32:09 PM »
How do you defend OUTSIDE VEER out of split back pro formation using a 3-5-3?

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Re: 3-5-3 vs Split Back Veer
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2014, 02:59:35 PM »
My Suggestion is to make damn sure that the Edge block cannot happen.  You cannot allow the release to the ISLB.
IMHO your Rover or Spur will have to come up and Squeeze the LMOLOS. 

Use Twists on the edge to make the OL think. You can Also tilt the DT in a 5 tech.  That way his ass is in the OT's way.  The most rudimentary way would be to Slant the front to that tendency. 

The advantage you have is being able to scout film and see what some of the tendencies are.  Who is their best Linemen? What percentage of their plays flow to his side?  How dangerous is the QB?  Can I be aggressive or do I have to show patience and play within my responsibility? 

Since I dont have Film to study I would start off by simply Slanting my front and "Stoning" the LMOLOS with Spur or Rover. 

Just thinking out loud.

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Re: 3-5-3 vs Split Back Veer
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2014, 04:38:14 PM »
The pitch doesn't always happen on OSV.  A lot of coaches "rally" to the pitch vs OSV…even against the almighty De La Salle.  The OLB/Spur/DE/Whatever-you-call-him tackles the first thing he sees between FB and QB.  The FS takes the other one.  All Defenders rally to the pitch. 

In a 30 stack defense, I would have the play side 40 tech backer take the responsibility of the FS from above and put the FS on pitch. 

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Re: 3-5-3 vs Split Back Veer
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 11:32:55 AM »
Vs single tight end... the C gap should be rushed or stunted into while keeping youre primary contain defender ready for the second phase of the triple.

Secondary contain rushes pitchman
alley player is the "tweener"

Gets harder vs double closed or 22 personnell.

Basics
c gap rush
primary contain gets qb
secondary contain gets pitch
alley is the between guy

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Re: 3-5-3 vs Split Back Veer
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2014, 11:42:16 AM »
Attached is "the way to go" vs. SB Veer:
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Re: 3-5-3 vs Split Back Veer
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2014, 12:58:15 PM »
Richard Bell talks about Defending Veer from 3-5-3, 3-4, & 4-3, in his GREAT book (Amazon.com):

 Winning Defensive Football by Richard Bell (Apr 20, 2010)

Winning Defensive Football combines the four- and five-man front defenses into a winning system of excellent coordination for coaches on all levels. With chapters covering everything from defensive philosophy to 50 Front (3-4), and practice reorganization; this book has information to help take your team s defensive play to the next level. Includes over 1,000 diagrams and illustrations in a large-format, 430-page book.

About the Author
Richard Bell coached 12 years at the U.S. Air Force Academy overall, including eight years as defensive coordinator. He won the American Football Coaches Association Assistant Coach of the Year Award in 1998. A year prior to that, Bell was nominated by the AFA staff for the Broyles Award as the nation s top assistant coach. A native of Little Rock, Arkansas, Bell has helped Air Force to four post-season bowl games and coached Chris Gizzi to All-American honors. (Gizzi, a two-time WAC defensive player of the year, developed into one of the finest players ever to wear the blue and silver. He played professionally for the Green Bay Packers.) Bell also turned former Falcon Anthony Schlegel into a big-time college player. (Schlegel, selected to The Sporting News Freshman All-America team in 2001, was a first-team all-conference selection in 2002 before transferring to Ohio State. Schlegel was a third-round draft pick by the New York Jets in 2006.).
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