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5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« on: December 04, 2013, 09:07:11 AM »
its been my mainstay for years.  i dont see alot of people running it anymore.   curious if thats the case or not.
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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2013, 10:14:20 AM »
hmmm ... I can not recall ever seeing or coaching against a Cover 3 team.  I have seen plenty of Cover 1's.  In 2010 I ran a 53 Cover 1, then converted to a Cover 0 by moving my FS strong side or field side.

A few teams in my Org ran a 52/53 bringing the SS up when needed.

How deep are the zones for the CB's and FS? 15 yards?
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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2013, 10:35:40 AM »
I see a lot of it in my league... but I also see a lack of understanding of what a zone is too... I like seeing that haha
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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 10:42:30 AM »
i use 2 basic cover 3 alignments.   Sky (safety depth) and Cloud (4-5 yards deep).  we stay in cloud mostly.  i will use some different cover 2 and some man press. 
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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2013, 11:18:50 AM »
We're a 5-2 cover 2 team as our base.  But more often than not we wind up in a 5-3 cover 3.  I used to always see 5-3's, but lately it's been a lot of 44. 
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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2013, 11:28:49 AM »
Jake

I was a 5-2 Monster coach for over 20 years. It was a difficult transition to go to a 4 man front, until I got some great coaching advice. IMHO it's important to use what you can coach. Where I am now we run 3-3, real similar to the 5-3. Again it's all in the coaching.

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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2013, 11:36:01 AM »
We ran it at youth and did well. Then the last game of the season made us make a change. If you have a great front 5 you can do wonders with it. Zone coverage is rough and you will have to coach the hell out of defending the off tackle.
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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2013, 11:50:05 AM »
We played a 5-3 Cover 3 team this season.

They kicked out butts. They were also the Runner Up Champs.

Nothing wrong with that D at all.
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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2013, 12:07:32 PM »
Bernie

This is where I hear the most complaints, I really believe playing Zone coverage is the best way to go in Youth Football. I think most Youth Coaches simply don't know to coach it.

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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2013, 12:08:37 PM »
We run it, but we hardly ever run it with 3 TRUE LBs.
For the youth level, our OLBs are either SS/OLB hybrids, or CB/FS hybrids.

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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2013, 01:09:28 PM »
We run it, but we hardly ever run it with 3 TRUE LBs.
For the youth level, our OLBs are either SS/OLB hybrids, or CB/FS hybrids.
Same here with the olb.  I dont stack them on the DT either .  they are head up on the TE.


I find that the De makes this defense.  I put my toughest kids there.  I dont box.  Usually I see coaches box the de and wonder why they are ge5ting gashed off tackle.

I find zone helps the cb run fit.  He reads the TE.


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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2013, 01:40:11 PM »
Bernie

This is where I hear the most complaints, I really believe playing Zone coverage is the best way to go in Youth Football. I think most Youth Coaches simply don't know to coach it.

Joe

Not saying it's bad. I just said it was rough on us with that team. I have seen teams that have done very well with it. I think you're right about me and my staff teaching it as well. It was hard for us to teach a 7 yo players how to play zone effectively.
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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2013, 01:49:01 PM »
Jake

I was a 5-2 Monster coach for over 20 years. It was a difficult transition to go to a 4 man front, until I got some great coaching advice. IMHO it's important to use what you can coach. Where I am now we run 3-3, real similar to the 5-3. Again it's all in the coaching.

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5-2 monster and 52 cover 2 are easy enough to transition to.

I've had a lot of picks from rolling into cover 2.  They went flood pass expecting the cb not to be in the flats.
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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2013, 02:24:35 PM »
Bernie

IMHO teaching man is way more difficult especially at 7. It all goes back to Coach Joe's rule of 3, I can teach any player 3 things, not 4. Zone we teach the player 3 things simple.

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Re: 5-3 Cover 3 as a base defense
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2013, 03:51:44 PM »
Same here with the olb.  I dont stack them on the DT either .  they are head up on the TE.

We don't stack ours either, except we play ours outside shade of a TE or OT.
We consider it more of a 5-1-5...AKA 4-2-5 with a NG.