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Offline Michael ODonnell

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Adjusting the Odd-Stack
« on: September 20, 2015, 05:18:35 PM »
How are you adjusting your odd-stack look if you are going to play a tight double wing (Wyatt style) offense
that features the toss, wedge, trap, sweep, and counter as the basic runs?
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Re: Adjusting the Odd-Stack
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 11:03:11 AM »
How are you adjusting your odd-stack look if you are going to play a tight double wing (Wyatt style) offense
that features the toss, wedge, trap, sweep, and counter as the basic runs?

if we faced this style of offense (double tight double wing), we would match numbers in the box, and play our standard robber coverage. setting the robber to the QB's throwing arm (Power Pass is something id want to take away immediately)


ALIGNMENT:
------------------------F--------------
------90---------M-----------90------
--C--------6-4---0---4-6---------C--
-----------0-0-0-0-0-0-0------------
--------0---------0--------0----------
------------------0--------------------

this alignment takes away the TE/Tackle Double team to both sides - (leaves the wing/TE double team specifically for reading purposes).

1) Power/Toss becomes difficult, especially if your 6 is a monster, and your FS can fill... once your 90 sees a wing down block he has to Alert, and Fill...hopefully wrong arming the kickout and spilling the ball to your corner.

2) Down (G) becomes difficult, easily wrong arm the guards kickout and spill it to your 90 tech.

3) Wedge...... no matter what you do wedge is a pain... but im ok with it being your only 'good option'.

4) Trap... its pretty easy to trap a 4, im banking on my 90 tech seeing the guard pull, alerting, and filling.

5) Counter... G/T is tough, the 4 tech has to get in his hip pocket and make a solid play (a little easier because the TE cant cut him off if the 6 is doing his job of beating the TE's A$$)
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Re: Adjusting the Odd-Stack
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 11:33:28 AM »
I do not want to turn this into a chalk war. Solid approach in lining in a 4 and 6 but many dw teams will kick a 6. Since it gets them out of their base scheme it is a good philosophy. Just wanted to point that out as a possible scenario so it doesn't surprise you. I hate surprises. Our rule for te was gdb which often creates a double with the tackle and will always get a 6 kicked. Again, no interest in a chalk war, just pointing how teams may react.

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Re: Adjusting the Odd-Stack
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2017, 12:09:05 PM »
If you motion  every box player and spur hits the gap in the direction of the motion

If you dont motion we play what i called mirror.  Essentially its flex read with the olb...and we tilt our tackles in 3s


-----0-0-0-#-0-0-0
----------3--0---3
-----s-----------------w
-------------m

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Re: Adjusting the Odd-Stack
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2017, 12:11:23 PM »
I do not want to turn this into a chalk war. Solid approach in lining in a 4 and 6 but many dw teams will kick a 6. Since it gets them out of their base scheme it is a good philosophy. Just wanted to point that out as a possible scenario so it doesn't surprise you. I hate surprises. Our rule for te was gdb which often creates a double with the tackle and will always get a 6 kicked. Again, no interest in a chalk war, just pointing how teams may react.

sure, it all depends on how you are playing a 6. without knowing the age group etc... if im playing a 6, hes holding that TE and keeping his original alignment (regardless of where the TE goes) so there is no room to kick him.

obviously...this is all based on talent. ive had some kids who couldnt do this, and some who could :)
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