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interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« on: September 01, 2014, 11:52:41 PM »
So I faced a very well ran 5-3 this weekend. The players in key spots definitley helped them beat us... however when I spoke with the coach after he explained it was his way of getting the boys ready for 4-3 play in high school.

They used over/ under fronts
- all 5 d lineman were in a 3pt and ends cocked in over vs closed and vs open

------0--0--0--#--0--0--0
------6-----3-----1------5---9
---------40-----00-----40
Doesnt seem like a big difference and it really wasnt but most 50 fronts are very traditional. This was not.

They internal 3 moved alot...gapped one side even techs another

We did well against offensively... was just nice to see someone thinking about high school but keeping it "youthful"
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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2014, 02:05:55 AM »
That is very close to how we use to play our 53 two years ago. We use to joke that people would never be able to tell us what defense we played. It was a 53 that lined up in many ways line a 43 but used 34 personal. I know that sounds really strange but we took a base 53 and played an under front. Our DE were more like OLBs and against spread teams played more like OLBs. So our 53 lbs ended up playing like SAMs and SS. I really enjoyed that defense.

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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2014, 10:09:38 AM »
Considering all the double closed sets I saw this season I may just do this and run like and over shift.

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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2014, 11:05:50 AM »
I run the 5-3 similar to what the OP suggests.

Teams have traditionally have had a very hard time against us when we go from a slanting 404 front to the under 513 front. 

we also show a 303 and two different 6226 variations.

It forces the OC to have clearly defined blocking rules.
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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2014, 01:22:09 PM »
Btw this team is a playoff game away from disney I beleive.
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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2014, 01:30:23 PM »
I emailed the coach...wrong team advanced he got knocked out of the regionals forst round womp womp

Either way been picking his brain it seams so easy.
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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 03:03:31 PM »
All the schools that run 50 fronts in our area run shades.


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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2014, 03:27:10 PM »
All the schools that run 50 fronts in our area run shades.

Sure who doesnt. But does any of them run 6-1-3-5-9 on the front?

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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2014, 03:58:50 PM »
I like shades but i love the 404 slanting front to go with it.  A shade puts a kid in a gap.  the Oline can get a decent read on where hes going.  The slant front puts extra stress on the Oline rules and techniques because they dont know which way the lineman is going.

Ive had alot of coaches ask "what the hell kind of defense is this?" 
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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2014, 04:18:55 PM »
When I ran the 5-3 I was constantly dicking with the OL.  Over and Under 4-0-4, 3-0-3.  Slant Left, Slant Right, Pinch, Fan,

The one thing I suggest when running an Odd Front is ZERO/Nada/Nyet Free releases by the TE. 

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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2014, 04:38:01 PM »


The one thing I suggest when running an Odd Front is ZERO/Nada/Nyet Free releases by the TE. 

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Agreed!  When i hear someone say the 53 is getting gashed off tackle i KNOW its the DE/TE thats the problem.
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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2014, 03:49:02 PM »
What woud be the LBs responsibilities in the 6-3-1-5-9?

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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2014, 04:00:36 PM »
--------0--0--0--#--0--0--0
--------6-----3-----1-----5----9
----------b---------b--------b

Theres only 2 open interior gaps (right B and left A)

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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2014, 04:02:20 PM »
What techs would the 9 and the 6 use?

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Re: interesting take on 5-3 (use 4-3 principles)
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2014, 06:50:43 PM »
The 6 tech stale mates the te and is resp for c gap
9 tech (in a 3 point ) hits outside shoulder and works into the backfield spilling every block

Least thats how they did it
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