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3x1
« on: February 25, 2018, 04:19:30 PM »
Joe - Hope all is well

Your Modern Offense for Youth Football ppt shows three version of 3x1 formations: Deuce, Jack and Trips

Couple of questions.

1)  What advantage do you have using 3 variations of trips? 
2)  Do you have situations / coverages / def matchup issues that warrant choosing between the 3?
3)  What passing plays/concepts would you use for Middle School ball with these 3 x 1 sets? 
4)  Have you found situations or rules of thumb that the 3x1 is more effective than 2x2? 


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Re: 3x1
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2018, 05:26:50 PM »
Matt

It's funny but last season we were in 3x1 probably 70% of the time. At the HS level the 3 different types are really about personnel groupings. At the youth level or MS they are used simply to move the defense.

We are a "Go Fast" team so 3x1 was our preferred look & we didn't have to worry about anyone not knowing where to align. We were usually the 3 to the field, although we did align the 3 into the boundary against specific opponents. We felt in 2x2 teams would tend to do a lot of things, changing blitz patterns & coverages; while in 3x1 they usually stayed static. This gave us a huge advantage.

3x1 allows us to run our 3 man concepts without having to include the back in the pattern. Using the variations allows you to gain an advantage on blocking angles. Deuce being a run formation & PAP. Jack allows you to stretch the defense. Trips is great on the hash. So they all have a place.

Hope that helps.

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Re: 3x1
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2018, 06:02:22 PM »
Joe - Thanks for the info.  Of the quick patterns you list in MO4YF (Go, snag, out, hitch, arrow, slant) which combinations do you prefer out of 3x1 for middle school? 

We have spoken about 2x2 mesh, 4 verts, slant arrow, naked, PAW among others.  Interested in your favorite 2x2 plays that are equally effective in 3x1, and also others.

For 3x1, we are looking at: Verts, Slant Arrow, Verts, Spacing, Scat, Shallow, Y Stick & Y Corner.  We wouldn't do all of these.  Eventually I will need to settle on a couple coverage beaters for 0, 1 / 3, 2, and maybe 4.  Any insight you would share here would be freaking awesome.

BTW, We will have all spring and summer with the kids to install.  We will be heavy pass with the roster we have. 
Will block Slide and BOB. 

Thanks again

Matt
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Re: 3x1
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2018, 01:32:43 PM »
Matt

Smash is a favorite 2x2 play that works great from 3x1.

We always love 4 verts & all it's variations. Stick & Shallow are mainstays. PAW with 2 Post is also a winner. We read Inside Post Outside Post to Wheel.

Joe
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Re: 3x1
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2018, 12:04:43 PM »
Matt

 Here's a bunch of 3x1 highlights.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/7502230/Pedro-Rodriguez


Joe
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Re: 3x1
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2018, 02:45:02 PM »
"Motivation is simple. You eliminate those who are not motivated." - Lou Holtz

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Re: 3x1
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2018, 06:36:11 PM »
G

He is #5 on the Sentinel Super 60. He has no offers, the issue I believe is his speed. He is 4.7 player at best. He is a really great young man & comes from a great family.

http://interactive.orlandosentinel.com/recruiting/2019/central-florida-super60/

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Re: 3x1
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2018, 08:52:31 AM »
Always felt like scouts get too hung up on 40 times. Of course I understand speed is important and you need a common measurable but there is straight line 40 speed and there is football speed. His reel is full of situations where it looks certain he's going to be tackled only to watch him somehow blow past or split defenders and break away from the pack. And we know the type of speed & talent he's doing it against.

Maybe I'm missing something but you know the school up near me that had ALL those D1 recruits this year. Aside from their OT who is a legit 5 Star monster, this kid impressed me more than any of the kids I saw on that team, particularly when you factor in the quality of opponents.
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Re: 3x1
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2018, 09:31:08 AM »
G

The issue is very simple, a coach won't risk extending an offer to someone without the measurable when there is so many with the measurable. Their job depends on whom they offer, so they don't take chances. I see it all the time, the crazy part is I often see a player get offers who I know isn't what everyone thinks he is.

So trying to make sense of the recruiting merry go round, is just impossible. 4.7 is also pretty damn fast.

Joe
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Re: 3x1
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2018, 10:16:42 AM »
Hope he gets an offer somewhere, he can play!
"Motivation is simple. You eliminate those who are not motivated." - Lou Holtz