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Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« on: July 29, 2018, 08:42:54 PM »
This afternoon Tito & I were kicking around some different ideas on Skype. We started talking about Zone Blocking & of course all the different ideas came up. The biggest thing we determined is the surface & the direction of the Zone play. Blocking from a 5 man surface is very different than from a 6 man surface. Running Zone to the 2 man side in a 6 man surface is the same as a 5 man surface. This doesn't always make sense until you look at it on a white board.


This is exactly why we have the play side tackle make the first call. He can never be wrong & always knows if there is a man outside of him(his own that is the extra blocker). Now it becomes simple to understand. Today there are so many ways to run Zone, but they all key off the play side tackle.


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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2018, 08:48:21 PM »
Also dependent weather yiu are UTC OR GUN and style a zone play (Tight- Mid -Wide -or IZ - OZ ) running backs aiming points are subject to change.
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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2018, 09:26:30 PM »
T

Yes, I think there are so many different styles of Zone today that there can be a lot of confusion. That's why we simplify it by designating that play side tackle. I also think the more communication your players have the easier things are.


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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2018, 09:43:48 PM »
Totally agree Joe. i dont know if i would suggest count system or uncovered covered philosophy when you simply can call out whos getting combo'd .
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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2018, 01:42:07 PM »
Also dependent weather yiu are UTC OR GUN and style a zone play (Tight- Mid -Wide -or IZ - OZ ) running backs aiming points are subject to change.

Hi Coach,

Can you or Joe expand some on the differences here? Specifically with respect to tight vs. mid?

I may have it wrong, but here's my understanding:

Alex Gibbs uses Tight vs. Wide as synonyms for IZ and OZ, but recently there was a thread over on Huey's where a coach said what people commonly refer to as IZ is actually mid zone, and that true IZ actually much tighter to the midline (I gathered it was more like zone dive that a lot of flexbone teams run). Is this what you're referring to?

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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2018, 02:16:07 PM »
The last time I head McNally talk, he used inside to mean right behind the center.  I think outside was what most people call inside, and then I think he used stretch for what most people call outside.
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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2018, 04:05:44 PM »
Big Shell , They way i was taught was your aiming point is inside leg of tackle on IZ and TE 'S BUTT on OZ from UTC now i studied many different variations and noticed the gun guys a tell you one thing mcnally and A gibbs a tell you another all having different Aiming Points. Me i subscribe to the JGIBBS AND BUGEL ways . So my point is you have to understand what it is then figure out the style your gonna teach and live with it. Understand all coaches do it a lil bit different and find what works for you from within what you do.
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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2018, 08:09:20 PM »
Shel

Between Tito & Michael you have a pretty good explanation. The whole point is today there are so many different variations of Zone & the way it is run & the particulars of the techniques; that coaches can often be describing the same thing yet have very different ideas.

I know in my experience we modify small things every year. It could be our punch on combo's or what we call Zone steps. I also know I do things differently than many. Now understand this isn't something I developed rather we stole it.

Most Zone coaches teach the back to read the play side combo. We teach him to read the first LBer. We don't teach count or covered uncovered. everything for us happens off the PST's call. We have combined this we things we have gotten from major colleges. Yet I have seen it work with 10's.


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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2018, 03:52:20 PM »
Joe - how much Bash do you guys run?
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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2018, 05:58:08 PM »
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In the past with really good running QB's we would run a bit. We did it off counter read action, & liked it against Odd fronts where ILB's read guards.

So really it wasn't true Bash, the same with Dart; that's things we just never got to.

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Re: Zone Blocking from different Surfaces
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2018, 01:05:52 PM »
Not something I would bother with at Youth but I know it's getting a lot of love on Friday nights now...
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