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Beast - Platinum Edition
« on: March 23, 2018, 10:37:27 AM »
We've said before that Spring ball is for experimentation and trying new things out on grass. Since we'll be moving down to 2nd graders in the Fall, Mahonz challenged me to take Beast as far as I can. I came up with some stuff mostly in my head. I like to keep it simple enough that I don't have to write it down. OC is lukewarm to this, but Mahonz greased the skids a little. Last night, I met up with the backs/receivers coach and hammered out some details. Nothing installed yet, but here is the plan.

Starting with Beast:

X                 G  C  G  T  T  Y
                               Z  Q  H
                  S
Nothing new. Just establishing the baseline. Short G has absolute responsibility for his A gap. C is MOMA. Long G to Y is GOB. H is FBI, Q has the kick and Z is my free agent. He gets whoever is bothering us.


Super Beast:

                  X  C  G  G  T  T  Y
                              Z  Q  H
                      S

X moves in and bumps everyone down.  Looks goofy, but we ran it last year in a scrimmage and the defense had no idea. Ball was on our hash and Y was about 1 yard from the sideline.

Mega Beast:

                      C  X  G  G  T  T  Y
                                      Z  Q  H
                      S

Left "X" labeled to illustrated that he moves to a Guard position, but he's obviously no longer eligible. C is eligible, however.  Obvious concern is back side pursuit, so this might be a short lived experiment.

Cowboy:
X                 G  C  G  T  T  Y
                       Q       Z    H
         
                       S


Q moves to a side saddle position facing the short side (for now). He has 4 quiet signals to the C:
Texas: Snap to the S per the called play.
Utah: Snap to me and block left
Kansas: Snap to me and block right
Wyoming: Snap to me and block down field

This way, Q can take advantage of an obvious bubble or mis-alignment by the defense. Otherwise, the ball is snapped under his hands, he spins and executes his kickout block. I've been assured by a guy who runs this that this is no problem.

Cowboy, Z over:

 X                 G  C  G  T  T  Y
     Z                  Q            H
         
                        S

Z moves to our 33/77 position, essentially 1x1 inside X.  This will be used primarily with our buck (jet off of Q's hip) or belly (orbit in front of S) motions. The idea is that he no longer has the FBI block because some one must respect that motion. Alternatively, we don't send him in motion and run the buck sweep. Snap to S who runs his blast path. H spins with his butt to the o-line. S hands to H, who pitches to Z in an orbit path. At any time, Q can recognize a defense over playing the motion or the buck sweep, call a snap to himself and keep up the gut or where ever the defense "ain't".

Especially intriguing to me is Mega Cowboy Z Over:


                      C  X  G  G  T  T  Y
       Z              Q                    H

                      S

This is essentially super unbalanced trips left with C, Q and Z as eligible receivers. Would love to hit the C on a quick out or back shoulder fade.

The great thing is that the foundation of "lego offense" is well established, so this really isn't a huge install. This was apparent when a new back (to us) missed the first week of practice due to registration issues. He plugged right in once we spent 5 minutes explaining the rules of alignment and motion. 

Backs/receivers coach is 100% on board and helped me work through some decision points. We'll present to the OC tonight and I'll ask for a 20 minute install next week. I'll discuss maybe 5 favorite plays or maybe 2 series of 3 plays each with the OC and we'll start working these 10 minutes each day and try them out when the game is in hand. I'll post video, good and bad when we have it.
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2018, 12:28:32 PM »
You guys really get a kick out of this . We been running this strictly as an Mpr series ( Always a whole Unit This is strictly MPR'S) using Unbalanced, Balanced and an Open look's ,from Beast and a traditional SW formation using or regular Blocking schemes. That way everyone is learning same things for sake of efficiency. How do you do all this and run your base stuff ?
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2018, 02:17:15 PM »
Polecat is better...ask Mahoney! Haha
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2018, 03:19:29 PM »
You guys really get a kick out of this . We been running this strictly as an Mpr series ( Always a whole Unit This is strictly MPR'S) using Unbalanced, Balanced and an Open look's ,from Beast and a traditional SW formation using or regular Blocking schemes. That way everyone is learning same things for sake of efficiency. How do you do all this and run your base stuff ?

First off, we 2 platoon, so that pretty much doubles our time.

Second, the blocking is the same. Actions are similar.

Third, we have essentially combined our 3 offenses into one and they are essentially formations. "Base" to us is Empty

X                 T  G  C  G  T                 Y
     H                                  S    Z
                           Q


S is 2X1 off the T, Z is 2 more yards off him, Y is 2 more yards off him, but on the line. Same for H and X, but they line up as if there is a "ghost" S.

What we used to call "regular" aka "Mega Wing" is just two formation tags: "Empty Right Under, S55"

X                 T  G  C  G  T                 Y
     H                    Q                  Z

                           S

Beast is now just "Empty", but we are "Guard Over", S in gun, Y is tight and our backs are in sniffer positions.

                     T  C  G  G  T  Y
                                 Z  Q  H
                         S

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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2018, 03:26:24 PM »
Polecat is better...ask Mahoney! Haha


I just googled it and read the first half of this:

http://pistoltripleoptionfootball.com/glenn-tiger-ellison-greatest-innovator-football-history/


I would absolutely do this, but we are moving to 2nd graders in the Fall. Then again . . . we will be playing against 2nd grade defenses . . . hmmmm . . . .
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2018, 04:17:31 PM »
I just googled it and read the first half of this:

http://pistoltripleoptionfootball.com/glenn-tiger-ellison-greatest-innovator-football-history/


I would absolutely do this, but we are moving to 2nd graders in the Fall. Then again . . . we will be playing against 2nd grade defenses . . . hmmmm . . . .


Its what we ran at Regis back in the early 70's when I played HS ball. Its the only way we could compete with the big schools since we always declared 5A for basketball. Regis was a basketball powerhouse back then that fielded 25 players for varsity football.  Think Villinova....always in the hunt for basketball but no one is quite sure if they have a football program.  :P
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2018, 11:33:54 PM »
Installed Cowboy tonight. Slicker than snot. We had about 30 minutes of group time and that included fixing our bunch stuff that our OC had neglected. Worked through some bugs and side saddle beast worked very well.

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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2018, 11:14:52 AM »
Its what we ran at Regis back in the early 70's when I played HS ball. Its the only way we could compete with the big schools since we always declared 5A for basketball. Regis was a basketball powerhouse back then that fielded 25 players for varsity football.  Think Villinova....always in the hunt for basketball but no one is quite sure if they have a football program.  :P

I cant stand nova because my best friend went to st joes and they hate each other.  That said Novas football team is prettyy good...
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2018, 11:26:09 AM »
I just googled it and read the first half of this:

http://pistoltripleoptionfootball.com/glenn-tiger-ellison-greatest-innovator-football-history/


I would absolutely do this, but we are moving to 2nd graders in the Fall. Then again . . . we will be playing against 2nd grade defenses . . . hmmmm . . . .


We ran straight plays from pole cat. Kids loved it bc i made fun of these "wildcat" formation bs change up offenses we faced a lot of during the season.

C  to x maybe 10 yards
C to y is about the same
We were not very spread out which helped us.

It was literally...snap..qb caught and released. No lag time..no drop back..quick..quick


-------x--0-0-0-0----------c------------y
-----------h-------------------------------------z
--------------------------------q-----b

Wolverine (x)- X goes deep...everyone else runs play away from X.

Duck (h for howard) - screen to ah

New york (Y for yankee) - inside seam

Blue steel (z for zoolander) - wheel

Simpson (b for bart) - quick pitch to y and z side

Seems rediculous but it really worked lol its literally school yard football.  Btw kids came up with everything but "blue steel" lol
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2018, 11:45:36 AM »
Love the terminology. I let the kids come up with theirs for the most part. So far my favorite is my call for "I'm going to cut my guy, so stay off him". They came up with "Dirt Clown".
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2018, 10:02:54 AM »
Last week, we installed "Cowboy", which is the side saddle blocking back under center. He still has the kick out block on blast. I had some issues with the blocking path of both backs, but it was easily fixed. I just had them reverse their banana path. We did not run any "Cowboy" in game 1, but in Team vs our defense, it added an immediate inside threat to Beast.

Last night, while I was teaching the finer points of cut blocking to the o-line, the OC installed the Jet play out of Cowboy. After some hiccups with the snap and motion timing, it really started to click. Defense had a very hard time finding the ball. An unexpected surprise was "H follow". Here's what we ran last night:

X            G    C    G    T    T    Y
   Z----------   H              Q

                    S

Z Sweep, although he most often cut up before getting the edge.
S Blast
H Follow
H Sneak

Then, Mahonz had us install a buck lateral. We were already in Beast left at the time, so we kept it that way. We started with this:

Y    T    T    G    C    G                  X
      H   Q                         Z

                       S

Snap to S who runs his Blast path. Q turns his back to the defense and S hands him the ball. At the snap, Z takes an orbit path to the heels of S. Q pitches to Z who runs the sweep, led by H. 

It was cool, but Mahonz made it "cooler".

Y    T    T    G    C    G                  X
Z    H   Q                         

                       S

This time, S runs his Blast path and hands off to Q, who has turned his back to the defense. Q pitches to Z, who has taken an orbit path to the heels of S. H takes a flat path to lead block.  The timing was off, and the pitch was too far for Q, so Mahonz had Z do a 270 degree spin before taking his orbit path. It was all done on air because we were out of time.

What this does is really compliment our counter play, which is S handing to H, led by Z. We traditionally wait until backside force is chasing S before running Counter. If he takes a deep route to the depth of S, Counter is there.  Now, if he learns and takes a shallow route to stop the Counter, we come back with Buck Lateral.

Hopefully, we'll run some of this Saturday so I'll have film to post.  Not sure if there's a need for Super Beast or Mega Beast. I think that might be an answer for teams who really load up on the strong side edge.
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2018, 12:30:06 PM »
Last week, we installed "Cowboy", which is the side saddle blocking back under center. He still has the kick out block on blast. I had some issues with the blocking path of both backs, but it was easily fixed. I just had them reverse their banana path. We did not run any "Cowboy" in game 1, but in Team vs our defense, it added an immediate inside threat to Beast.

Last night, while I was teaching the finer points of cut blocking to the o-line, the OC installed the Jet play out of Cowboy. After some hiccups with the snap and motion timing, it really started to click. Defense had a very hard time finding the ball. An unexpected surprise was "H follow". Here's what we ran last night:

X            G    C    G    T    T    Y
   Z----------   H              Q

                    S

Z Sweep, although he most often cut up before getting the edge.
S Blast
H Follow
H Sneak

Then, Mahonz had us install a buck lateral. We were already in Beast left at the time, so we kept it that way. We started with this:

Y    T    T    G    C    G                  X
      H   Q                         Z

                       S

Snap to S who runs his Blast path. Q turns his back to the defense and S hands him the ball. At the snap, Z takes an orbit path to the heels of S. Q pitches to Z who runs the sweep, led by H. 

It was cool, but Mahonz made it "cooler".

Y    T    T    G    C    G                  X
Z    H   Q                         

                       S

This time, S runs his Blast path and hands off to Q, who has turned his back to the defense. Q pitches to Z, who has taken an orbit path to the heels of S. H takes a flat path to lead block.  The timing was off, and the pitch was too far for Q, so Mahonz had Z do a 270 degree spin before taking his orbit path. It was all done on air because we were out of time.

What this does is really compliment our counter play, which is S handing to H, led by Z. We traditionally wait until backside force is chasing S before running Counter. If he takes a deep route to the depth of S, Counter is there.  Now, if he learns and takes a shallow route to stop the Counter, we come back with Buck Lateral.

Hopefully, we'll run some of this Saturday so I'll have film to post.  Not sure if there's a need for Super Beast or Mega Beast. I think that might be an answer for teams who really load up on the strong side edge.

That H follow is deadly.

Funny....Fredricks and I were standing on the goal line during Team when you were working on your jets. He asked if he should blitz those ridiculous A Gap splits with his Mike. It old him sure....and be sure to jump the motion. Two plays later when your QB scored he turned to me and said...ah...I get it.

Lesson learned.....NEVER blitz a mega splits team. They always have an answer and its usually a TD. The Defense really must sit in base and cover space.
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2018, 04:28:35 PM »
That H follow is deadly.

Funny....Fredricks and I were standing on the goal line during Team when you were working on your jets. He asked if he should blitz those ridiculous A Gap splits with his Mike. It old him sure....and be sure to jump the motion. Two plays later when your QB scored he turned to me and said...ah...I get it.

Lesson learned.....NEVER blitz a mega splits team. They always have an answer and its usually a TD. The Defense really must sit in base and cover space.

I've been pondering sweep.  On one hand, it's getting harder and harder to run. So many things can go wrong from the middle to the perimiter, it has to be blocked perfectly. On the other hand, why do we even need to get to the perimeter? If you take the sweep path of a foot to foot team and super impose it on our alignment, they are essentially running between our T and TE. So let's just run there.

Deion (#1 RB) is not happy. He thinks this is all unnecessary and we should just run blast over and over again.
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2018, 04:32:00 PM »
Two plays later when your QB scored he turned to me and said...ah...I get it.


Do you think he can make OC understand? I can't.
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Re: Beast - Platinum Edition
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2018, 04:49:24 PM »
I've been pondering sweep.  On one hand, it's getting harder and harder to run. So many things can go wrong from the middle to the perimiter, it has to be blocked perfectly. On the other hand, why do we even need to get to the perimeter? If you take the sweep path of a foot to foot team and super impose it on our alignment, they are essentially running between our T and TE. So let's just run there.

Deion (#1 RB) is not happy. He thinks this is all unnecessary and we should just run blast over and over again.

Tell Skittles to STFU or he will get promoted to MLB.  :P
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