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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2016, 08:24:18 AM »
I am running Tony DeMeo's Multibone offense, he also has a triple gun offense that may relate to what you want to run.

I would be interested in taking a peak...
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2016, 09:05:23 AM »
What plays are you running out of the diamond formation?
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2016, 09:16:10 AM »
YouTube Tony DeMeo and you will find a lot of info. The reason I suggested him was you were thinking triple option.
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2016, 10:27:16 AM »
YouTube Tony DeMeo and you will find a lot of info. The reason I suggested him was you were thinking triple option.

I should amend the triple option part... I will be running the baby step approach to the options available in this formation... Its base plays are not option dependant, and start with a DE read, then the OLB, and CB/S read are all added... I will be taking my time with this approach
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2016, 10:39:11 AM »
So if I read your post correctly your basic rule will be over, on in? Kinda odd. I think depending on the gap scheme plays you want to run a simple GOD rule might work better. The actual scheme will determine that though. Have you looked into double dive as a base play instead of option? Option easily evolves into double dive and will look the same to many youth coaches. In fact, most youth coaches would have no idea what double dive is.

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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2016, 10:54:31 AM »
Find a copy-Amazon- of James Vint's 101 Pistol Option plays.
Just to give you a broad overview.

Also Diamond formation Clinic onYouTube.
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2016, 11:33:00 AM »
OK so DW and SW are a no go....OK, so your in the market BUT your, for whatever reason are looking at a 4 back offense called diamond. Here is a diamond shaped O, kinda ;) It hits quicker than diamond

.......O........O..O.C.O..O..O....
...............S.......Q............W
........................................
........................T

above can get you 15 to 20 formations, all very quick to learn, heck there is only 2 words to learn them all!
above can run many series, you may be hard-pressed to find a series it does not run and run well!
great potential for all these series

BUCK
BELLY
TOSS
JET
POWER
OPTION
QUICK
FLY

so you could run whatever it is you want to run, this is very much a multi-wing T set. It too is a 4 back set. The advantage this has over the diamond is your gonna have a lot of support from coaches, your gonna go on line and see it, be able to research series and schemes and discuss "stuff" with many coaches...and its backfield actions work a lot faster than the diamonds do. With diamond there is less misdirection and its plays happen slower. Not less misdirection its just less angles and all backs are clearly visible eg plays are telegraphed.



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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2016, 08:30:40 PM »
I like wishbone as a 4 back system, you can still run triple option if you want but I like to run it as power, blasts, double dive etc.  You can go to broken bone without losing much in the run offense but gaining twins receivers.  Lots of info out there as well.   JMHO.   
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2016, 10:39:02 PM »
What plays are you running out of the diamond formation?

From what I have been able to find and based off of the 2 publications I was able to get it is mostly ISO, Off Tackle, Belly, Pitch, Toss, and some screens... None are descriptive or named, just back and hole... This is probably where my lack of knowledge on the option comes into play. I am beginning to understand more and more though...

I also am keeping it simple... KISS method on this journey...

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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2016, 10:42:19 PM »
Find a copy-Amazon- of James Vint's 101 Pistol Option plays.
Just to give you a broad overview.

Also Diamond formation Clinic onYouTube.
No sense reinventing the wheel by yourself.

I saw that video and have watched it... I will be watching quite a few times...
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2016, 10:56:11 PM »
So if I read your post correctly your basic rule will be over, on in? Kinda odd. I think depending on the gap scheme plays you want to run a simple GOD rule might work better. The actual scheme will determine that though. Have you looked into double dive as a base play instead of option? Option easily evolves into double dive and will look the same to many youth coaches. In fact, most youth coaches would have no idea what double dive is.

I haven't put any other blocking rules against any fronts yet to see what that would look like but GOD seems like it would match close to the same... It was my understanding that in GOD - down was "down the line" not out into the secondary, am I mistaken on that?
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2016, 11:04:24 PM »
OK so DW and SW are a no go....OK, so your in the market BUT your, for whatever reason are looking at a 4 back offense called diamond. Here is a diamond shaped O, kinda ;) It hits quicker than diamond

.......O........O..O.C.O..O..O....
...............S.......Q............W
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........................T

........O......OOCOO......O                     OOCOOO......O                    OOOCOOO

................H...Q...H                            H..Q..H                                  H..Q..H

.....................F                                       F                                           F

Not sure why this is not a fast hard hitting offensive formation... these are 3 base sets. obviously the middle one can be flipped.
Using the "Snatch" Method instead of the ride and glide is going to cut some time off and minimize fumbles as well...

QB and Halfbacks are 3-4 yards off the ball and the Fullback is 5-6... I will have to adjust as needed but that's the start point. I am a firm believer that the ball carrier should be full speed when they hit the LOS... even with a defender in front they should still get 2-3 yards.
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2016, 11:12:08 PM »
Another Question??? Ride and Glide, Tilt Method, or Snatch Method?

As of right know I am leaning towards the "Snatch" method (Jim Mastro) to minimize if not eliminate fumbles, and allow the QB to move faster if its a keep.
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2016, 11:31:16 PM »
YouTube: Gap runs from the diamond-Coach Schmitt. I thought this was a presentation.

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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2016, 01:47:27 AM »
........O......OOCOO......O                     OOCOOO......O                    OOOCOOO

................H...Q...H                            H..Q..H                                  H..Q..H

.....................F                                       F                                           F

Not sure why this is not a fast hard hitting offensive formation... these are 3 base sets. obviously the middle one can be flipped.
Using the "Snatch" Method instead of the ride and glide is going to cut some time off and minimize fumbles as well...

QB and Halfbacks are 3-4 yards off the ball and the Fullback is 5-6... I will have to adjust as needed but that's the start point. I am a firm believer that the ball carrier should be full speed when they hit the LOS... even with a defender in front they should still get 2-3 yards.
So diamond pistol, then.  (Most of the diamond formations I was thinking of had Q's hands under C.)  Looks like Adam Wesoloski's double wing, except the halfbacks are slightly closer together and the fullback deeper.  I think you could probably get the speed you're looking for hitting the line with everybody a yard closer to it than the minimums you state.