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Diamond Formation
« on: May 04, 2016, 09:16:16 PM »
Hello Everyone,
   I am wondering if anyone has any literature on the Diamond Formation offense? Power point, spreadsheet, old napkins laying around... I am going to run it with 11u and have only found two publications so far... albeit they are pretty comprehensive and concise as well as geared for youth but I am a little nervous about a triple option offense even though it is very simple for the QB to read. Any help/advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2016, 12:29:25 PM »
Hello Everyone,
   I am wondering if anyone has any literature on the Diamond Formation offense? Power point, spreadsheet, old napkins laying around... I am going to run it with 11u and have only found two publications so far... albeit they are pretty comprehensive and concise as well as geared for youth but I am a little nervous about a triple option offense even though it is very simple for the QB to read. Any help/advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

coach got a few questions for ya as you seem kinda set on running this offense.

1) Tell me what the determining factors were in your decision making?
2) have you coached option before? If yes what age group?
3) what is your offensive coaching experience? and what age group?

now I have 2 immediate concerns when I see posts like this

A) option is a hard install, the easiest for me was the speed option read off the DE. You mentioned 3 words thats should never be used together 11U/TRIPLE/OPTION....extremely problematic and prone to fumbles, the risk reward ratio JUST AINT IN YOUR FAVOR coach

B) now your adding the timing issue of shotgun as well...OH BOY


Diamond formation misdirection and power can be fine its just slow. IMO YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF RUNNING ANY AND I MEAN ANY OTHER  4 BACK SET THAT EXISTS.

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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2016, 01:09:13 PM »
I have zero experience running it. I would like to say that the fact that very little can be found on the offense, it will be difficult to troubleshoot when you have issues.

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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2016, 03:50:59 PM »
I have zero experience running it. I would like to say that the fact that very little can be found on the offense, it will be difficult to troubleshoot when you have issues.

coach DONT underestimate the value of this...having little to no support, nobody to fall back, barring the few here that will try to help, your really putting yourself in a risky, set up for failure position, and unnecessarily so. 


unless you like finding yourself in a bad position, alone, no help, you know maybe YOU LIKE THOSE RAPE SCENES FROM SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION ;) if not? Then Id reconsider!

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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2016, 03:53:51 PM »
coach got a few questions for ya as you seem kinda set on running this offense.

Well I am not dead set on running it and to be honest the more people I speak with about it is kinda bumming me out. There is one Semi-Pro coach that is around where I live that has given me advice and pointers as well as dumbed it down for my age group.

1) Tell me what the determining factors were in your decision making?

Its an unusual set that is not seen and I don't think ever seen in our conference. It seems to be extremely versatile in means of POA's around the field with the ability to use the option read or not use it just like going Under Center or from the Gun. My personnel seem suited for the requirements of the offense, I actually have a QB that can run, throw, has football smarts, and is demanding of himself and the team. I have running backs that are work horses, and tight ends that can hit and catch... I do still need to find and develop a Center but that is on me...

2) have you coached option before? If yes what age group?

No, I have never coached a straight option offense before.

3) what is your offensive coaching experience? and what age group?

Single Wing, Double Wing, and Spinner... That has been over the past 5yrs at ages 9u(7,8,9yr olds) / 10u / 11u.

now I have 2 immediate concerns when I see posts like this

A) option is a hard install, the easiest for me was the speed option read off the DE. You mentioned 3 words thats should never be used together 11U/TRIPLE/OPTION....extremely problematic and prone to fumbles, the risk reward ratio JUST AINT IN YOUR FAVOR coach

Honestly the only read is the DE... if the QB pulls it back he then reads the CB or OLB and decides if hes going to pitch back to the FB or to keep it and go through them...

B) now your adding the timing issue of shotgun as well...OH BOY

I have my reservations on this as well... if the Center cant get it there than the gun is out... as far as timing, eh, I am not so concerned with that as I am confident in my team, coaching staff, and ability to get the kids to strive for perfection...


Diamond formation misdirection and power can be fine its just slow. IMO YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF RUNNING ANY AND I MEAN ANY OTHER  4 BACK SET THAT EXISTS.

Would you suggest a few for me? I am open to any suggestions and will definitely look through them.
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2016, 04:11:23 PM »
Ok so you have power set experience, you ran DW and SW

you have 3 workhorse running backs, a beautiful fit with either DW or SW

you have 2 tight ends that can block and catch...again PERFECT fit, Im starting to favor DW over SW ohh and youve been blessed!

you have a good QB with what sounds like a good work ethic, who can run and throw, sounds like a stud and a good leader another vote for DW, really any offense he will do well in, again your blessed

you dont have a center developed, now Im all in for DW!

why?

#1) you have coached it before
#2) this age group is PERFECT fit with DW
#3) there is a shitton of support, playbooks, coaches, power points, assholes like me who think they know everything





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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2016, 04:20:28 PM »
Wishbone
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2016, 06:36:16 PM »
Wishbone

well yah any 4 back set would be better than diamond, IMO, wishbone included, T, DW, Delaware wing T. We are just going back to the option devil sitting on left shoulder tempting "run me" with the wishbone.



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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2016, 07:04:18 PM »
well yah any 4 back set would be better than diamond, IMO, wishbone included, T, DW, Delaware wing T. We are just going back to the option devil sitting on left shoulder tempting "run me" with the wishbone.
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2016, 08:23:56 PM »
Don't forget about power I. And we may have a treat coming soon.

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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2016, 09:30:06 PM »
I appreciate the feedback regarding the Diamond Offense and am undecided as to what to commit to but it will definitely not be the wishbone or I formation... not my cup of tea... SW is out as it has no place in our league anymore. We ran it, and ran it well, but the opposition was able to stop it eventually... except  the wedge, that always got yardage. While the DW is a nice flexible offense for some reason I am not excited about it... I think its important that I as a coach believe in and am passionate about what I am asking the kids to do... well I still have some time to ponder it...

Ultimately any offense can be successful as long as it is coached well and the kids can grasp it... I do not know of any offense that is perfect for any one age group. Granted there are basic and easier offenses to install that even 5,6,and 7 year olds can grasp and run effectively. Having athletes always makes it less daunting but in the end confidence, knowledge, and the ability to get the kids passionate and willing to give everything they have on that field for you, their team, and for themselves is what makes the biggest difference.
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2016, 10:32:04 PM »
I am running Tony DeMeo's Multibone offense, he also has a triple gun offense that may relate to what you want to run.
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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2016, 01:23:37 AM »
I am wondering if anyone has any literature on the Diamond Formation offense? Power point, spreadsheet, old napkins laying around... I am going to run it with 11u and have only found two publications so far... albeit they are pretty comprehensive and concise as well as geared for youth but I am a little nervous about a triple option offense even though it is very simple for the QB to read.
I'm not familiar with a triple option to be run from a diamond backfield -- I know a few formations that have been called "diamond" -- but you can always dumb down a triple option by reducing the number of reads, converting some or all of them to fakes that look like options.

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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2016, 07:13:06 AM »
Can you run just run the Diamond with gap blocking?

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Re: Diamond Formation
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2016, 08:21:52 AM »
Can you run just run the Diamond with gap blocking?

Yes, seems like that is one of the variations for youth instead of Man. The BS Guards and Tackles pull unless they will leave a man unblocked...  I am going to
go with Playside Gap, Man On, Inside Gap, if none of these apply then go to second level and wreck the first man you see... With double teams I will have the less dominant blocker break off and go into the secondary after a 3 or 5 step drive, depends on timing... well, at least that is the plan as of today  :) 
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