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Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« on: February 14, 2014, 04:02:02 PM »
Sorry if this is already somewhere on here, just found this on Huey's.  They posted it on a public site, so I'm not too worried about re-posting it.

Was posted at Huey's to show a team that blocks down with their slot and SE and has the PSG pull around to kick/block the CB.

I really like this.  And their QB and TB were doing crap for fakes, could have been run much sharper.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2014, 04:34:31 PM »
Very good stuff indeed.Bruce Cobleigh and many jet and fly guys do it that way,we did also with jet and fly from the pistol and ace.
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2014, 06:47:25 PM »
It was posted in response to a bunch of guys saying the stopped pulling the G on jet/fly because it slowed the play down too much.

In hindsight, I probably should have run something along these lines last season, we had a lot of speed.  In fact, I had an entire playbook out of the Wild Bunch based around jet put together, I chickened out.  It would have been a good year to get experience with it, since as it turns out, we'd have beaten the 7 teams we beat no matter what we ran, LOL.

This coming season I'm relatively weak at QB, and have two smallish but very good RB's, and a couple of other kids that are fast but not big and not experienced running the ball.  Easily could rotate my two good backs at TB and slot, and mix in the other kids to run a ton of fly motion.

We'll see what the roster looks like.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2014, 06:51:14 PM »
It was posted in response to a bunch of guys saying the stopped pulling the G on jet/fly because it slowed the play down too much.

In hindsight, I probably should have run something along these lines last season, we had a lot of speed.  In fact, I had an entire playbook out of the Wild Bunch based around jet put together, I chickened out.  It would have been a good year to get experience with it, since as it turns out, we'd have beaten the 7 teams we beat no matter what we ran, LOL.

This coming season I'm relatively weak at QB, and have two smallish but very good RB's, and a couple of other kids that are fast but not big and not experienced running the ball.  Easily could rotate my two good backs at TB and slot, and mix in the other kids to run a ton of fly motion.

We'll see what the roster looks like.

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You would enjoy it. Now instead of running WB counter off toss action you run FB wedge off Fly action. Its is actually a bit easier to teach and call.
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2014, 07:29:29 PM »
It was posted in response to a bunch of guys saying the stopped pulling the G on jet/fly because it slowed the play down too much.

In hindsight, I probably should have run something along these lines last season, we had a lot of speed.  In fact, I had an entire playbook out of the Wild Bunch based around jet put together, I chickened out.  It would have been a good year to get experience with it, since as it turns out, we'd have beaten the 7 teams we beat no matter what we ran, LOL.

This coming season I'm relatively weak at QB, and have two smallish but very good RB's, and a couple of other kids that are fast but not big and not experienced running the ball.  Easily could rotate my two good backs at TB and slot, and mix in the other kids to run a ton of fly motion.

We'll see what the roster looks like.
The psg we make sure is a 2nd or 3rd string type fb,when in jet or fly the b-gap defender is usless to the jet (never will make the play),so the psg can lead with no concern,and running belly a couple of times beforehand can make the play that more deadly for readers and responders(run support), jmo
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2014, 12:45:24 AM »
We played a team that ran this and destroyed their fly stuff the first time we played them.  The 2nd time they made some nice adjustments and had some success.

It's a good way to run fhe fly as long as you know how to block rolling coverages and inverted safties. 

That said, we were the only team that shut them down.  They mercy ruled everyone else.  It's a good way to run the fly.  But the trap isn't as good as under center.  And you have to run red sweep.  If you don't, a well coached team will destroy your fly. 
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2014, 01:28:44 PM »
This EXACT video was the basis (loosely) on what we tried to run last year.  I found it when searching YouTube for youth football video. Unfortunately we bastardized it to the point that it wasn't at all the same and completely screwed up our blocking assignments.   I want to get back to something more like this for next year as I expect that we will have a ton of speedy smaller players again and probably not a whole lot of size.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2014, 06:05:39 PM »
This EXACT video was the basis (loosely) on what we tried to run last year.  I found it when searching YouTube for youth football video. Unfortunately we bastardized it to the point that it wasn't at all the same and completely screwed up our blocking assignments.   I want to get back to something more like this for next year as I expect that we will have a ton of speedy smaller players again and probably not a whole lot of size.

Your profile says Wing T.  Why not just run the WT?
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2014, 07:04:15 PM »
j,heres a couple of things to scroll over.I hope they help.   http://www.gridironstrategies.com/articles01.php?id=846
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2014, 12:53:39 AM »
Your profile says Wing T.  Why not just run the WT?

I actually plan to and even have the DC Wing T install DVDs sitting right in front of me.

I would like to include a little pistol and maybe beast but I might be being a little too ambitious for 4th grade.  We managed several different formations last year, a couple of them were not good though.

I loved the Jet motion this past year, it worked well for us and we were horrible at timing the snap so if we improve that I would LOVE to see what we look like.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2014, 02:17:09 AM »
I actually plan to and even have the DC Wing T install DVDs sitting right in front of me.

I would like to include a little pistol and maybe beast but I might be being a little too ambitious for 4th grade.  We managed several different formations last year, a couple of them were not good though.

I loved the Jet motion this past year, it worked well for us and we were horrible at timing the snap so if we improve that I would LOVE to see what we look like.
Then I suggest instead of pistol, you do it with the QB's hands under center but feet & shoulders facing the direction the jet runner is coming from.  He can then call the snap at just the right time, because he sees the back coming, and to get him the ball he just has to swing it out a little from under the snapper's butt.  You can even have the FB call the snap count if you like, and the snapper can also be snapped to other backs with the QB's legs out of the way.  Either way, the snap can be timed very close to either the handoff or fake to the jet back without a lot of reps.  I recommend a reach-take/fake ball exchange, but I've seen others use a conventional handoff by the QB.  The reach-take/fake doesn't slow the jet runner down, but it does take reps with him synchronizing his feet to the reach and then the push-off to gain a little depth, if you like that.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2014, 11:20:38 AM »
I actually plan to and even have the DC Wing T install DVDs sitting right in front of me.

I would like to include a little pistol and maybe beast but I might be being a little too ambitious for 4th grade.  We managed several different formations last year, a couple of them were not good though.

I loved the Jet motion this past year, it worked well for us and we were horrible at timing the snap so if we improve that I would LOVE to see what we look like.

To get the timing down of gun jet series takes a ton of reps.  Much easier under center.  Trying to run that series out of the gun will only take away from your WT in my opinion.  In order to make jet series work you have to establish RED SWEEP, TRAP & COUNTER.  Trying to do all that out of the gun, and run the WT is too much IMO.

Under center the install is much faster and meshes w/ the WT much better.  We run Delaware WT and the fly offense, but if you watched our game film you'd never know we were changing between the two different schemes.

I'm not a DCWT guy, so might vary a little.  But as a Delaware WT guy, that has been our experience.   
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2014, 04:49:21 PM »
Then I suggest instead of pistol, you do it with the QB's hands under center but feet & shoulders facing the direction the jet runner is coming from.  He can then call the snap at just the right time, because he sees the back coming, and to get him the ball he just has to swing it out a little from under the snapper's butt.  You can even have the FB call the snap count if you like, and the snapper can also be snapped to other backs with the QB's legs out of the way.  Either way, the snap can be timed very close to either the handoff or fake to the jet back without a lot of reps.  I recommend a reach-take/fake ball exchange, but I've seen others use a conventional handoff by the QB.  The reach-take/fake doesn't slow the jet runner down, but it does take reps with him synchronizing his feet to the reach and then the push-off to gain a little depth, if you like that.

Are you referring to side saddle? I always thought that looked awkward although I can see how it would help with timing.

What does that do to the QB's footwork? 

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2014, 04:53:41 PM »
To get the timing down of gun jet series takes a ton of reps.  Much easier under center.  Trying to run that series out of the gun will only take away from your WT in my opinion.  In order to make jet series work you have to establish RED SWEEP, TRAP & COUNTER.  Trying to do all that out of the gun, and run the WT is too much IMO.

Under center the install is much faster and meshes w/ the WT much better.  We run Delaware WT and the fly offense, but if you watched our game film you'd never know we were changing between the two different schemes.

I'm not a DCWT guy, so might vary a little.  But as a Delaware WT guy, that has been our experience.

Yeah, I'm not sure why I've been so hung up on the pistol snap except that it makes it easier for the QB to see everything.  I went to a clinic yesterday that included a lot of good ideas for Wing T that I'm excited to try. My biggest challenge at the moment is sorting through all of the information that I've recently stumbled upon and meshing it all together to make it work for 9 year olds.   We were horrible up the middle last year which boils down to crappy coaching of blocking schemes IMO so that's going to be our biggest project next year.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2014, 05:18:23 PM »
Yeah, I'm not sure why I've been so hung up on the pistol snap except that it makes it easier for the QB to see everything.  I went to a clinic yesterday that included a lot of good ideas for Wing T that I'm excited to try. My biggest challenge at the moment is sorting through all of the information that I've recently stumbled upon and meshing it all together to make it work for 9 year olds.   We were horrible up the middle last year which boils down to crappy coaching of blocking schemes IMO so that's going to be our biggest project next year.

I recommend going w/ Belly Series, Down & Power.  Mix in some Jet. 

Buck series is probably too difficult for that age group.  Trap might not work well because of unsound DT play at that age level. 

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