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Offline Bob Goodman

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2014, 07:42:12 PM »
Are you referring to side saddle? I always thought that looked awkward although I can see how it would help with timing.

What does that do to the QB's footwork?
Depends for which plays, of course.  For the fly/jet series, he has practically no footwork at all, he just sort of tees up the ball for the motion back to take (if you do the reach-take/fake), then sidesteps to get a little depth in the backfield to give a conventional handoff to the dive back.  (But you should time the fly & dive closely so there really shouldn't be time to take more than a step.)  Actually I tried out some skeleton drills with 9-13s a fly-dive-belly-spin keep series, so it can get complicated if you want it to be.

Assuming you want to run other wing T plays, the QB has a head start on those that would've required him to turn in one direction, but of course would be behind on those requiring him to turn in the other direction (and in fact you'd be better off converting those to straight-opening plays if you have any).  The sidesaddle positioning was also said to give the QB a head start on a pass fade, assuming he shuffles sideways & doesn't backpedal.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2014, 12:47:12 AM »
Interesting. I hadn't considered that, I'll have to play around with it.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2014, 01:05:11 AM »
Interesting. I hadn't considered that, I'll have to play around with it.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2014, 02:13:13 AM »
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2014, 12:45:47 PM »
side saddle............oh god there goes big B again 8)

coach as far as DCWT and pistol you can, and I have, diagram most plays and most formations. There has been lengthy discussions on this topic, pistol/direct snap and the DCWT, and what was said is - there is pros and cons, as with most anything, you will loose the quickness of the 33 quick but you can gain depth in the jet sweep so the player is running more down hill instead of running around a bubble at playside off tackle. The base plays of 23 and 24 still exists but I remember talking about switching the HB and FB more often from this pistol T jet set because the back behind the QB will be more of a HB type.

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what the pistol dcwt really screams for is OPTION. Both counter option AGAINST the motion and power option WITH the motion then the ensue trap game off of it, the DCWT midline, not to mention the jet sweep. And then QB or 30 jet wedge! I also really like the WHAM block especially if you put a hitter at wing. I was thinking of possible combining the midline with the wham, yes it would dictate what side of the center the ball carrier is going to run but now your center can join in on blocking LB's and that wing should just smash that poor nose guard!!! "the center slips by and the nose guard has but a split second to think AHHHAAA IM IN THE BACKFIELD then WHAM!

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2014, 04:16:49 PM »
I have always run an UBSW, but found that late in the season I was running alot of Rocket and Lazer(similar to Jet/Fly). I have a been studying Cox's Power Pistol. I see that the video states that they only ran the Jet series? Is it feasible to just run Jet?
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2015, 07:50:08 PM »
Did any of you guys run an offense based off the one in the video?  I'm going to the the HC this year of an 11u team and my offensive coordinator and I are going to give this a shot. If any of you have run this do you have any tips and tricks?

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2015, 09:23:50 PM »
Did any of you guys run an offense based off the one in the video?  I'm going to the the HC this year of an 11u team and my offensive coordinator and I are going to give this a shot. If any of you have run this do you have any tips and tricks?

The most important thing about running jet is who is blocking the force defender.  The Slot (or wide wing back) is the key.  he needs to align far enough outside the so that the DE is forced to align inside the slot or head up/outside the slot.  either way the DE is wrong.  Ive seen coaches try to use the offset RB to block the DE/OLB force player with very poor results. 

A simple check system that keys the DE alignment is a no brainer.  DE inside the slot = jet,  DE outside = power/trap.

BTW i prefer to lead the jet with the  offset FB. 

I havent run it yet but IMHO the jet pass is damn near impossible to stop.   JET sweep right....the CB has to come up to stop the run....Flanker on a fly is open.  CB stays with the FL then the jet has one less defender to stop him from turning the corner..
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2015, 10:42:06 PM »
If you email that coach he will send you his playbook and answer any questions you have. That's what I did after I watched that video.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2015, 10:29:04 AM »
Anyone running this?  Coaching points for motion/snap timing?  Would we lose anything by running it under center?

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2015, 03:13:17 PM »
Anyone running this?  Coaching points for motion/snap timing?  Would we lose anything by running it under center?
Do you happen to have his email?

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2016, 01:33:10 PM »
I like this a lot. We ran a lot of diamond formation last year and I realized a lot of what I wanted to do would be more effective if I moved my 2 and 4 backs to wings and motioned them into handoffs like these guys did. Since we did not have a running start, we could deal with a force player who gave us trouble getting outside by kicking him out with the PSG. Does anyone run a "G-Lead" play with the jet motion? Are there any timing issues with it?
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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2016, 01:21:11 PM »
Yeah, I'm not sure why I've been so hung up on the pistol snap except that it makes it easier for the QB to see everything.  I went to a clinic yesterday that included a lot of good ideas for Wing T that I'm excited to try. My biggest challenge at the moment is sorting through all of the information that I've recently stumbled upon and meshing it all together to make it work for 9 year olds.   We were horrible up the middle last year which boils down to crappy coaching of blocking schemes IMO so that's going to be our biggest project next year.

We stay at regular gun depth in the pistol. I use it as an alignment not a huge schematic change. For 9 year olds jet might be one play you stick in, and run it with buck sweep so you can use existing blocking rules. We run jet buck and trap (fake buck then give trap).

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2016, 05:32:44 PM »
I loved the Jet motion this past year, it worked well for us and we were horrible at timing the snap so if we improve that I would LOVE to see what we look like.
Don't try to time the motion.  I took a lesson from Chuck Klausing's videos and just had the QB watch the motion back out of the corner of his eye.  This really helped when switching backs since some were slower to execute the jet/fly motion than others.  A nightmare to try and sync up with the cadence.  When we ran jet, the QB would make the call for the ball when the jet back was at the T.  Worked great under center and from pistol depth.

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Re: Middle School - Pistol Wing T Jet
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2016, 04:01:55 PM »
Don't try to time the motion.  I took a lesson from Chuck Klausing's videos and just had the QB watch the motion back out of the corner of his eye.  This really helped when switching backs since some were slower to execute the jet/fly motion than others.  A nightmare to try and sync up with the cadence.  When we ran jet, the QB would make the call for the ball when the jet back was at the T.  Worked great under center and from pistol depth.
When he's under center, wouldn't he have to turn his head to see, unless he lined up sidesaddle as I have them?