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Offline nwmocb

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Pistol Zone Read Complement
« on: May 19, 2014, 11:40:40 AM »
Ok so we will be running A LOT of pistol zone read.  I want a play that goes playside to complement that play without having to change a lot of the QB's footwork.  What do you guys think?  I was thinking about either veer or oz.  Or is there a simple way to run inside zone playside without changing a lot of the qb's footwork?

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Re: Pistol Zone Read Complement
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 12:05:40 PM »
Ok, maybe I am the one who is lost here. How do you run Zone Read from the Pistol? Are You talking the Zone Bend play? Otherwise I know no real way to read the backside EMOL from pistol.

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Re: Pistol Zone Read Complement
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 12:26:39 PM »
Joe we are running IZ out of pistol this year. It has worked great. I don't really understand what you believe the would limit it. But maybe I am slow. The TB slide steps BS aims at landmark (PSG's inside foot). QB steps down with playside foot which opens him up to his read, meshes with TB.

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Re: Pistol Zone Read Complement
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 12:30:26 PM »
I think this may be a misunderstanding due to different ways people use the term "pistol".  I suspect the original poster meant a short shotfgun formation where there's at least one back significantly deeper than the one taking the snap, while MHCoach may think of pistol as meaning a shotgun formation of any depth where there's a back in straight line behind the one taking the snap.

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Re: Pistol Zone Read Complement
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 12:43:14 PM »
I imagine you are having your qb take midline steps. You can run qb trap well from pistol. You can also add a 3 back to the backfield and run traps with him as well. A stretch play can be used with this back for an outside play. Midline footwork stays the same. You can also run power instead of the read. If you are motioning then you can use the motion man to kick or you can pull and kick. The motion man works well if you run a jet/speed sweep play. Power can easily be ran with the qb or the back. We run the power stuff from our spread formations with a high level of success. And since you are probably having the qb take midline steps, how about running midline. I am not sure how many plays you need with a zone/option play as your base. Will you be able to install zone read and another option series?
One caveat to my post is that we do not run read so take it for what it is worth(might not be a damn). We generally call power. We do run a rule blocking scheme that is very close to a very simple iz. Joe taught me his zone scheme and it is crazy easy and is actually very close to what we already run.
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Re: Pistol Zone Read Complement
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 12:47:23 PM »
Joe,
   Are you concerned with the depth of the qb making the read more difficult? I imagine if the qb was not far enough back that the angle of attack by the emlos would be such that he would be able to make a play to either the give or pull forcing it to always be a give.

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Re: Pistol Zone Read Complement
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2014, 03:37:27 PM »
Ok so we will be running A LOT of pistol zone read.  I want a play that goes playside to complement that play without having to change a lot of the QB's footwork.
Something else needs clarifying -- which is the play side: where the handoff goes or where the keep goes?

If it's where the keep goes, one likely play to go with it -- don't know as I'd say it "complements" it because it doesn't threaten the same defenders -- would be a quick hitch to a WR on that side.  QB takes the snap, turns, and fires; RB can just pick his nose if he wants, just as long as he doesn't get in the way.  You can call this one at the line if the WR looks uncovered.  Or a slant-in instead of a hitch.

Another play to the keep side is a shovel pass to a receiver coming across to behind the read DL.  The minimax way to play zone read by itself is for the DE never to crash and the ball always to be handed, so anything you can do to upset that arrangement and give the DE more reason to crash would be welcome.

A play to the give side would be QB follow.

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Re: Pistol Zone Read Complement
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2014, 04:32:41 PM »
Ok, let me explain how we do things.

When we run Zone from the Pistol, QB at  4 TB at 6. the QB opens playside hands off & boots to hold the backside. Since he is opening to the playside he can't read the backside. Zone Read will be from the Gun QB at 5 RB at 6, we step to 45 & crow hop on the ride. In Pistol we read Stretch/Power or Counter.

Now, I have seen where teams bend the back on a Zone read from the Pistol, but we do that on the Counter read & I don't feel bending the back is "clean" enough to run Zone.

Flo, I believe what you are describing is that bend.

IMHO we already ask our QB's to do so much, this is just asking too much. It also takes the TB out of the path that I like. I wasn't saying I don't like Zone from Pistol, only Zone Read.

Remember I teach our TB's to read the first ILB playside on Zone. If he is bending around that makes his read difficult & it takes away the back door cut. I would still have to see this play on grass.

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Re: Pistol Zone Read Complement
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2014, 12:59:31 AM »
Joe I understand what your saying, but that is why we have the TB take a slide step backside. This allows the QB to open up to his read, which to clarify he is opening backside, and have to TB run straight to his landmark. We have the TB make the same read as you guys and it has been fine thus far. We are at 4.5-5 with QB and 6.5 with  TB.

BTW we also run a inside zone with the QB booting away also. Like you know it can be a very good PAP look.

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Re: Pistol Zone Read Complement
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2014, 08:10:51 AM »
Flo

I guess I have to see it on grass, I just don't get a clear picture. We really have gone with the approach of simplifying things. We had 4 running plays for the Spring Game. It certainly makes play calling easier, & we had little or no confusion. Considering we worked all Spring against 3-3, 3-5, & then they came out in a 4-2, I was happy how we adjusted.

Our second QB scored on a Zone Read play, the DE collapsed down hard & he left the ILB in a lurch. Stretch/Power was once again our best play. We ran Trap from the Pistol, with a Mid Line path so it was almost like our counter play for the Spring. That was huge for us. Here's the video highlights:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/blogs/varsity/os-hs-video-lake-mary-hagerty-spring-football-game-20140516,0,4598272.post

http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/sports/article.html/content/news/articles/bhsn/2014/5/16/spring_football_9_la.html

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