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ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« on: October 01, 2014, 10:31:00 AM »
How should my team attack a 5-3 defense with the I-formation--power,counter,trap,inside zone ,outside zone Etc... also what formation out of the I-Formation gives this defense trouble 

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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 11:28:28 AM »
Is the 53 man or zone?

Do the DE's box?  Who is contain?

Also any idea if the move the FS vs trips?
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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 11:36:02 AM »
Well we look for red/ white front first

8 man box vs 8 possible blockers in double tight end set.  If you can block well and run well dont adjust a thing.

Formations like slot/trips gives most 8 man boxes fits.

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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 12:04:31 PM »
they are in man most of the time---so what plays are red and white side (power,counter,trap,inside zone,outside zone etc..) against this defense ---using slot/twins formtion from 2 back I-Formation

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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 12:25:37 PM »
White - b gap open...iz, trap, counter
red- b gap closed...oz, power, iso

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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 12:41:18 PM »
DE play?
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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 01:11:54 PM »
If its man probably is "easy" force or end contain
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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 01:32:24 PM »
the DE is a box end he comes up field hard

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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2014, 01:49:02 PM »
Coach both B Gaps are closed when they play there 5-3 defense ,so what white or red plays do I run against the defense

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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2014, 02:37:49 PM »
Ok thats what i assumed and hoped youd see.


Below is what id expect to see......Vs a normal (poorly coached) 5-3 the DE will either line up inside the WB or outside the WB

 DE inside the WB....
   
                                FS

             CB       B    B    B           CB
                  D    T    N    T   D
                     E T G C G T E                                               
                              Q           W
                              F
                              T
or outside the WB as below...


   
                                FS

             CB       B    B    B           CB
                  D    T    N    T         D
                     E T G C G T E                                               
                              Q           W
                              F
                              T

Either way he is wrong.  a simple check play can run power or sweep depending on how the DE lines up.  Hes inside the WB we run sweep, hes outside the WB we run power.



I Love WB's and unbalanced formations.  even better when you combine them. 

some formations i like to use to really see if the DC is any good........ how does he cover unbalanced slot?  below is one of my ABSOLUTE favorite series of formations vs any defense.

 unbalanced formation with DE inside WB
   
                                FS

             CB       B    B    B                               CB
                  D    T    N    T    D
                        E G C G T T                             F                                     
                              Q           W
                              F
                              T
 
Same formation with DE outside WB:



                                FS

             CB       B    B    B                               CB
                  D    T    N    T        D
                        E G C G T T                             F                                     
                              Q           W
                              F
                              T



again from this i want to know how the DE lines up.  the CB is now pulled out of run support.  also the defense must be paying attn or it wont see this as unbalanced.  (we had entire games were the defense didnt shift)


Unbalanced w SLOT

                                FS

             CB       B    B                       B           CB
                  D    T    N    T    D
                        E G C G T T                             F                                     
                              Q                      W
                              F
                              T   
           
 If the OLB has #2 than the c gap becomes enormous  (even if the 2 remaining LB bump over, which they almost never do).    We see this nearly all the time.  we power C gap to death.  The CB gets antsy and starts to ignore the F.  We then run 26 power F fly pass. 

Slot will also tell you if Who covers #2.  its usually the OLB.  It can be the FS though as below:



                               

             CB       B    B    B                FS           CB
                  D    T    N    T    D
                        E G C G T T                             F                                     
                              Q                      W
                              F
                              T   



now something a good DC will do out of a 5-3 (fortunately their are very very few.)   

1.  Since the wingback creates another gap to cover, they will bring up a LB/CB up in some tandem alignment with the DE.  something like this:
   

    N    T  E  B 
    C G T E 
                W

or 
    N    T  B    E 
    C G T E 
                W

or
          B
    N    T   D   CB 
    C G T E 
                W


So im saying id use formation because most DC's are not sound enough to cover the above.  the below are some highly recommended formations.

I-Wing
I-Slot
I-Wing Over
I-Slot Over
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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2014, 05:27:07 PM »
Coach both B Gaps are closed when they play there 5-3 defense ,so what white or red plays do I run against the defense

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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2014, 10:21:20 PM »
I already gave you the answer... just read

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Re: ATTACKING 5-3 DEFENSE WITH I-FORMATION
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2014, 11:38:54 AM »
Outside ISO and Power are Naturals.  As are inside Traps.  If the DE's are Boxers then they are Ripe for an Ear Hole by a Guard or FB.  With the Wing you Can and Should Crack the DE if he lines up inside the WB.  Send TE to OSLB. 

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