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ECO for Youth
« on: August 10, 2017, 01:07:04 PM »
I've been out of the loop for some time.  Gong through some old files and came across some old stuff.  See attached.  Most of this based on conversations with Mountjoy, MH, Zack and watching lots of film.

Since I wrote this coached a bit of high school and learned more and cleaned up some terminology I may have been using incorrectly.  Close enough though.

Enjoy.

We ran this for a number of seasons in 8th grade and did not lose a game with this offense (combined with the "Steel Talon" D which is the mashup of DC46 and Killer B).

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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2017, 01:24:32 PM »
Nice packet, beautifully done.

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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2017, 02:27:06 PM »
C

Are you done with your HS run or have they sucked you in for good?

Thanks for sharing and I hope you and your family is doing well.
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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2017, 03:36:37 PM »
Mike -

I'm out.  Learned a lot about high school coaching politics.  I had the audacity to want to hold kids and other coaches accountable and try to improve the product at all levels which did not go over well.  It was perceived as threatening to certain safe spaces and relationships within the staff.  I was out before last season started.  Winning was secondary to "bromance" apparently.  Is what it is though and it has actually worked out well.  I've enjoyed watching the games and having free time.

My kid is a senior this year (as are all "boys" from our youth team - most still playing together) so I am staying as far out of the way as possible.  Should be a special season though.  I might jump back into the youth scene next year after my kid goes off to college.  My wife says, "I need it".  Haha.

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2017, 04:06:17 PM »
Mike -

I'm out.  Learned a lot about high school coaching politics.  I had the audacity to want to hold kids and other coaches accountable and try to improve the product at all levels which did not go over well.  It was perceived as threatening to certain safe spaces and relationships within the staff.  I was out before last season started.  Winning was secondary to "bromance" apparently.  Is what it is though and it has actually worked out well.  I've enjoyed watching the games and having free time.

My kid is a senior this year (as are all "boys" from our youth team - most still playing together) so I am staying as far out of the way as possible.  Should be a special season though.  I might jump back into the youth scene next year after my kid goes off to college.  My wife says, "I need it".  Haha.

I had one 3 year run at the HS level and learned to hate every minute of it.

It was a 6A program with 4000 kids and the players were treated like a piece of meat. I didnt fit in and was treated like a piece of meat.

Way too cut throat.

Plenty of youths awaiting your return.  8)
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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2017, 04:57:31 PM »
Mike -

I'm out.  Learned a lot about high school coaching politics.  I had the audacity to want to hold kids and other coaches accountable and try to improve the product at all levels which did not go over well.  It was perceived as threatening to certain safe spaces and relationships within the staff.  I was out before last season started.  Winning was secondary to "bromance" apparently.  Is what it is though and it has actually worked out well.  I've enjoyed watching the games and having free time.

My kid is a senior this year (as are all "boys" from our youth team - most still playing together) so I am staying as far out of the way as possible.  Should be a special season though.  I might jump back into the youth scene next year after my kid goes off to college.  My wife says, "I need it".  Haha.

Wow. Sounds just like where I was. I resigned two weeks ago after being at the HS for 2 years. Huge weight lifted off my shoulders
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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 05:09:23 PM »
Same here.  Had a great time coaching freshman last year.  Moved up to varsity OC this offseason, saw the better players treated like meat and the non starters treated like they weren't even there.  Got the hell out.

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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2017, 11:24:27 PM »
I had one 3 year run at the HS level and learned to hate every minute of it.

It was a 6A program with 4000 kids and the players were treated like a piece of meat. I didnt fit in and was treated like a piece of meat.

Way too cut throat.

Plenty of youths awaiting your return.  8)

I've coached in a similar program and a similar experience, which I just posted about in another thread.  It made me hate coaching the year I spent there.  I nearly gave up coaching for good after that.

For me, small-to-medium sized HS (under 1000 kids) in a small-to-medium sized town without all the BS of "tradition and expectations" is where it's at.  You get to know the kids as people and really be involved in building something, which is what I like, without having to worry as much about all the bizarre politicking and backstabbing--that's everywhere, but in some places it's ridiculous.  Unfortunately, there's not many of those places left around here.

I've thought about maybe making the move down to MS next year if I can land a HC job where I can do things my way and try out ideas I've had.
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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 11:37:04 PM »
Same here.  Had a great time coaching freshman last year.  Moved up to varsity OC this offseason, saw the better players treated like meat and the non starters treated like they weren't even there.  Got the hell out.

Transactional coaching sucks.  Unfortunately, we're even seeing that at the youth levels now with all the private coaches jumping in and fleecing parents with promises of teaching their scrawny 11 year old how to be a future pro athlete if they'll pay for expensive private training.

The worst thing about being a HS football coach is this mentality that it's all about the genius coach who out schemes the opponent by drawing things up better than they do.  Or maybe it's the flip side, which is that it's all about being some big bad "alpha male" blowhard with more swagger than sense who can bully kids into making him look good.

IMO, the quickest way to take stock of a coach is by watching how he treats the kids at the bottom of his roster.  Few things piss me off more than sitting in the coaches' office and hearing guys on staff insult the practice squad kids who show up every day and give it all they've got.

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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2017, 12:55:33 AM »
You are right on the money again!

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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2017, 09:45:13 AM »
I've been out of the loop for some time.  Gong through some old files and came across some old stuff.  See attached.  Most of this based on conversations with Mountjoy, MH, Zack and watching lots of film.

Since I wrote this coached a bit of high school and learned more and cleaned up some terminology I may have been using incorrectly.  Close enough though.

Enjoy.

We ran this for a number of seasons in 8th grade and did not lose a game with this offense (combined with the "Steel Talon" D which is the mashup of DC46 and Killer B).

Thanks for sharing Chris.

I'm curious about why you decided to have the Q fake play-side on IZ and boot back-side on Power and OZ/Stretch.

I never thought about doing that way. Did you notice any advantage there?
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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2017, 03:55:09 PM »
Thanks for sharing Chris.

I'm curious about why you decided to have the Q fake play-side on IZ and boot back-side on Power and OZ/Stretch.

I never thought about doing that way. Did you notice any advantage there?

We just wanted to have both options.   With the IZ reverse pivot we could spin and actually run counter to the H underneath with G pulling - this play was money.   With the OZ boot we could boot out and pass to H or down field to Z or X.  Our H was a very good player and he was generally a cross queue to the Defense.

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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2017, 04:09:50 PM »
We just wanted to have both options.   With the IZ reverse pivot we could spin and actually run counter to the H underneath with G pulling - this play was money.   With the OZ boot we could boot out and pass to H or down field to Z or X.  Our H was a very good player and he was generally a cross queue to the Defense.

Cool stuff. We loved UC counter as well, but would stack Z just outside H for an unbalanced look then fake toss, have H wrap on counter, and give to Z. I agree. Scored a ton on that one.
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Re: ECO for Youth
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2017, 09:15:20 PM »
Cool stuff. We loved UC counter as well, but would stack Z just outside H for an unbalanced look then fake toss, have H wrap on counter, and give to Z. I agree. Scored a ton on that one.

Yep.  A well executed counter in youth ball is deadly.  Especially if you can get IZ working.

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2017, 09:22:22 PM »
Cool stuff. We loved UC counter as well, but would stack Z just outside H for an unbalanced look then fake toss, have H wrap on counter, and give to Z. I agree. Scored a ton on that one.

Who is H looking to block ? The DE ?
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