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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #120 on: May 24, 2016, 11:20:58 AM »
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We ran one back exclusively last season at the 10-11 year old level and went 7-1 during the regular season and lost in the semi-final game. Our run game consisted of Coach Mountjoy's counter, power series along with OZ (3 formations). Our passing game was hitches and ups and power pass and a counter off of jet that coach Joe Cianflone was nice enough to share with me. By the way my team consisted of 28 kids with over half of them being brand new to football so my team was not anywhere close to an elite team. We were in a 27 team league that was very competitive with a lot of chapters creating A and B teams in order to stack. One back works very well at the youth level. A ton of flexibility with the ability to make just a few schemes seem like a lot of offense with the ability to focus on teaching just a few things (more time for fundamentals). One back definitely holds water at the youth level.

I will also say that Coach Belz and Mountjoy have been a tremendous help in implementing the offense.It is nice to have Coach Belz's input on the site and if you watch his film he put together a nice little offense for his high school.

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Coach I didnt say 1 back wont work, I said some of this stuff wont hold water at youth level; "some" being the key word here. To elaborate, I already have run this O. 2nd there isnt a shitload of support for "ye ole daddy" youth coach to run this offense, and as we all know most youth coaches need to have hand held and walked thru schemes. Is there info out there? yah sure, but not as much as wing T or DW or SW and thats a good reason why I would say this O is "less" youth f
riendly than those.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #121 on: May 24, 2016, 11:32:52 AM »


Coach I didnt say 1 back wont work, I said some of this stuff wont hold water at youth level; "some" being the key word here. To elaborate, I already have run this O. 2nd there isnt a shitload of support for "ye ole daddy" youth coach to run this offense, and as we all know most youth coaches need to have hand held and walked thru schemes. Is there info out there? yah sure, but not as much as wing T or DW or SW and thats a good reason why I would say this O is "less" youth f
riendly than those.

Coach,

Don't you think it really boils down to how complicated and uncomplicated you make an offense. If you give the kids 4 plays they can do well agreed? I would assume that would apply to any youth system for the most part.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #122 on: May 24, 2016, 11:38:42 AM »
Coach,

Don't you think it really boils down to how complicated and uncomplicated you make an offense. If you give the kids 4 plays they can do well agreed? I would assume that would apply to any youth system for the most part.
I had a long rebuttal to our earlier exchange but I'm letting all that go. Alright so 4 plays? I think most agree you need to attack all areas of the field. So from single back I think we would have to go power(being able to hit multiple areas I would assume), a counter, stretch and a pap. Zone in youth is certainly possible but the time we are allotted makes it very difficult and most youth coaches don't know how to coach zone. So what 4 plays would you recommend.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #123 on: May 24, 2016, 11:39:55 AM »
Coach,

I see your a wishbone coach why are you involved in this. I never said anything negative about your system, this is in response to IOWA and prostyle football. Im not sure I am following why your telling me about your play calling in your system??? From what I have seen is that there are many youth systems that work quite well for many coaches I have no issues with that.
I involve myself, because I am interested in football in general. Did you fully read my post. Re-read it, kind of more towards the bottom.
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #124 on: May 24, 2016, 11:43:47 AM »
Oh, I wanted to add that I think 4 is not enough unless you are able to get power to hit multiple holes. I think I would want a trap in their as well. Even then I think you need more of a passing game. One pap isn't going to do it imho. I'm interested in whether single back offers much misdirection which I feel is a very important part of the youth game.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #125 on: May 24, 2016, 11:55:04 AM »
My main point is to keep the play book simple, not to split hairs on 4 or 7 plays, but the big picture is less is more. Coach MJ has an excellent youth write up if you care to PM me I can give you his #.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #126 on: May 24, 2016, 12:07:12 PM »
Coach,

Don't you think it really boils down to how complicated and uncomplicated you make an offense. If you give the kids 4 plays they can do well agreed? I would assume that would apply to any youth system for the most part.

huh?

whoa cowboy, take a deep breath, not everybody here is fighting with you!

coach I made the point that there is "other" offenses here on this site with a huge support matrix, and that includes wing T, SW and DW offenses. I made no comment to the amount of plays nor schemes or series run from 1back. Local schools have run this O, I have as well, maybe not to the degree of complexity that others have, but a piece nonetheless.

Complicated vs simplistic wasnt on my radar, having dozens of coaches, playbooks, DVDs, power points all at a new coaches fingertips...yah that was on my radar!!! The support coaches get from these systems is top notch!


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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #127 on: May 24, 2016, 12:15:21 PM »
My main point is to keep the play book simple, not to split hairs on 4 or 7 plays, but the big picture is less is more. Coach MJ has an excellent youth write up if you care to PM me I can give you his #.
I gotcha. I've got Bill's number around here somewhere I believe. I get you don't want to post his stuff without his permission. I think a recommendation as to what plays a youth coach expect to execute at a high level is a fare question. I also really am interested in knowing what sort of deception can be offered with 11 personnel outside of a pap. I value deception greatly in the youth game and try to make sure much of my offense involves deception.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #128 on: May 24, 2016, 12:18:41 PM »
Coaches,

I am not here to argue about other systems/schemes, if any of you would like to know more about this offense feel free to phone me personally via a PM. I will be more than happy to answer any questions you may have that your concerned with.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #129 on: May 24, 2016, 12:28:17 PM »
Coaches,

I am not here to argue about other systems/schemes, if any of you would like to know more about this offense feel free to phone me personally via a PM. I will be more than happy to answer any questions you may have that your concerned with.
Didn't think I was arguing. Oh well, I tried. So anyway, for those wanting to learn a nice, youth friendly one back system, proven on the youth football field which can be run with shotgun, pistol, or utc, check out Joe's section.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #130 on: May 24, 2016, 12:30:28 PM »
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #131 on: May 24, 2016, 12:34:40 PM »
Again I have no issues with any coach running any system for youth ball, I know many of you have been successful at many youth levels this is a fact not an opinion. I responded to a ProStyle thread about 11/12 personnel football. I am making myself available if you would like to discuss in great detail horizontal/vertical stretching how to attack cov 0,1,2,2m,3 and 4 with the 3 step drop and have a great run game to boot with it and if you coach Prostyle currently OR wish to just learn more phone me. This is no gimmick no quick fix just lots of study and preparation.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #132 on: May 24, 2016, 12:42:35 PM »
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #133 on: May 24, 2016, 12:45:39 PM »
If you did want to run this for the youth level:

The offense (we refer to as the "EAST COAST OFFENSE" because that is what Joe Bugel & Bill Mountjoy called it) is FAR easier to run at the Youth level than MOST offenses!!!  There are 6 basic runs.  At the 8-9 year old group we selected 3 runs.  At the 10-12 age group we used 4 runs.  or 13-14 you use 5 runs (maybe all 6).  Play actions off your two BEST runs (& SOME 3 step drop-backs).

In 1 TE/3 Wr, or. 2 TE/2 WR = there is PLENTY of deception.  The Counter (most DECEPTIVE play I have ever run), Power, and H-Around plays ALL feature misdirection.  The Inside Zone, Outside Zone, & Truck Toss do NOT (except for the bootlegs off them).

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #134 on: May 24, 2016, 12:46:03 PM »
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