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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2016, 07:39:13 PM »
Coaches,

This isn't a mystery or a secret. IOWA is a prostyle oneback offense 80% of the time. This form of football is available for your viewing on Sunday for nearly 40 years. If your still only using a Pro I, then you basically have failed as a coach to evolve and give your team the best chance to move the football and dictate to a defense, trust Oneback!

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2016, 11:37:25 AM »
Coaches,

This isn't a mystery or a secret. IOWA is a prostyle oneback offense 80% of the time. This form of football is available for your viewing on Sunday for nearly 40 years. If your still only using a Pro I, then you basically have failed as a coach to evolve and give your team the best chance to move the football and dictate to a defense, trust Oneback!
That's your opinion. When you say stuff like that you should follow it up with in my opinion by no way is that a fact or even an accurate statement.
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2016, 05:22:55 PM »
Stanford does pretty good from pro I so does Florida state.

One back is great and I enjoy it...but I don't think ide ever say it's mistake not to run it... or you failed as a coach if you run a version of it.
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2016, 05:34:03 PM »
Stanford does pretty good from pro I so does Florida state.

One back is great and I enjoy it...but I don't think ide ever say it's mistake not to run it... or you failed as a coach if you run a version of it.

OK, but what would happen if Stanford played Iowa?
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2016, 05:34:58 PM »
Did Iowa score their touchdown against Michigan State from one-back?
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2016, 06:13:14 PM »
Stanford does pretty good from pro I so does Florida state.

One back is great and I enjoy it...but I don't think ide ever say it's mistake not to run it... or you failed as a coach if you run a version of it.
I'll take FSU's winning % from say, the last 35 years, running the I over Iowa's 5 year combined best winning %. But that doesn't really matter, really. College offenses are usually multiple in what they do. The above poster would have us believe that if you aren't running one back you suck as a coach. I forget, what was DLS running when they went on that 10 year winning streak? Oh yeah, it was SBV. I guess they would of won for 20 years straight if they ran one back. I think it has been established that scheme doesn't win games. I am also pretty much darn sure that BMJ has said just about that a bunch of times.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2016, 06:50:27 PM »
@CoachCorrera and the 3 other Coaches that liked his response to my statement.

Couple of facts to support my statement.

1.  SID GILLMAN (Father of the Modern Pro-Style game) said that the Pro-I is the worst DROP-BACK PASSING formation you can BE in, BECAUSE the Backs coming out of the backfield can't get DEEP enough or QUICK enough to "STRETCH" the coverage.  REMEMBER Sid Gillman's #1 PRINCIPLE:  = Spread the field horizontally and vertically with all 5 receivers!

2.  As to the RUNNING game = not preferred because it brings an extra defender into the "BOX", AND, there IS practically NO running game to the Split End side (the FB cannot block a blitzing OLB with a head start to wreck the play in the backfield)!!!
 
I have also attached a document (from his playbook) signed by Father of the modern passing game (Sid Gillman) see points #9 and #10!!!

Here is a link from ESPN's top 100 coaches of all time, he ranks at #18.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/greatestcoach18/greatest-coaches-nfl-history-sid-gillman




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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2016, 06:59:35 PM »
How you chose to run your offense is completely up to you.

If I decided to go on vacation I could walk to New York or I could fly. I guess it all depends how much free time I have to waste.


Pro Style Personnel Facts:

The Primary Packages

The first thing to say is that the NFL clearly favors three packages: 11 personnel (one back, one tight end, and three receivers), 12 personnel (one back, two tight ends, and two receivers) and 21 personnel (two backs, one tight end, and two receivers). The table below that indicates the league average for each:

11 Personnel   12 Personnel   21 Personnel
51.62%           19.74%           13.26%

Between 11/12 packages that is over 70%!

reference:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/offensive-packages/


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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2016, 07:05:53 PM »
Coaches,
If your still only using a Pro I, then you basically have failed as a coach to evolve and give your team the best chance to move the football and dictate to a defense, trust Oneback!

Are you implying that if you do not run a one back offense, that you are a failure as a coach?
Failed to evolve?
What if you don't have the talent to run this?
My job as a coach is to put my kids in the best position to win.
If that means putting all three backs in the backfield………well I've got the State Championships ( six of them) that shoot your theory to hell.
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2016, 07:18:50 PM »
Coach why don't you scroll up and re-read my originating statement.


Pertaining to talent question couple of points:

Passing Game.
1. Pass with the Highest completion percentage "the look pass". A staple of our offense.
2. Pass with the Second highest completion percentage is the "hitch".

** Because we are a 12 personnel program set we can horizontally stretch the under coverage using either H/X or Y/Z respectively.

Neither of these require talent simply reps and practice.

Pertaining to the run game loading the box defensively with 8 even 9 (very common vs PRO I) is going to be much harder on your "lack of talent" then say 6 or 7 in the box which is typically what we see.


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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2016, 08:07:02 PM »
Coaches,
 IOWA is a prostyle oneback offense 80% of the time.
 
I've grown up watching the Hawkeyes, being from Iowa, and I'm going to say 80% isn't right.  They run a lot of I Formation, and  they have done that for years.  Also Iowa's has been pretty middle of the road as far as college football goes.  Don't get me wrong, they have very good years every now and then, but based on your statistics and comments I guess Ohio State, Oregon, and any other school that does well without single back pro style should just stop trying.....

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2016, 09:04:25 PM »
@CoachCorrera and the 3 other Coaches that liked his response to my statement.

Couple of facts to support my statement.

1.  SID GILLMAN (Father of the Modern Pro-Style game) said that the Pro-I is the worst DROP-BACK PASSING formation you can BE in, BECAUSE the Backs coming out of the backfield can't get DEEP enough or QUICK enough to "STRETCH" the coverage.  REMEMBER Sid Gillman's #1 PRINCIPLE:  = Spread the field horizontally and vertically with all 5 receivers!

2.  As to the RUNNING game = not preferred because it brings an extra defender into the "BOX", AND, there IS practically NO running game to the Split End side (the FB cannot block a blitzing OLB with a head start to wreck the play in the backfield)!!!
 
I have also attached a document (from his playbook) signed by Father of the modern passing game (Sid Gillman) see points #9 and #10!!!

Here is a link from ESPN's top 100 coaches of all time, he ranks at #18.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/greatestcoach18/greatest-coaches-nfl-history-sid-gillman
Like i said say it's your opinion because that's what it is. There's a lot more team's running i pro that one back especially on Sunday's that will prove your statement wrong but we are all  entitled to our opinion yours just happens to be wrong.
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2016, 09:46:36 PM »
@Coach Correa

I guess you would argue with the statistical facts here is yet another. PRO I not used more than Oneback.

@CoachStorm

Ohio State and Oregon when using an H back are in 11 personnel 1 back. When Ohio State won the national championship they ran the Ol' counter trey out of 11 personnel. If your not using 11/12 personnel with an H back your missing 70% if not higher of all successful football formations used at every level from HS to the Pros.


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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2016, 09:48:10 PM »
@Coaches please re-read my comments, look for the word "only". Logic breakdown for some.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2016, 09:59:20 PM »
Here is Stanford vs IOWA take out a pen and paper and write down how many plays are in 11 or 12 personnel its staggering! Even a smash mouth team like IOWA understands the use of an H back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5YSTiHBox0

TAKE NOTE!!!!!!

taken from the original post:

""If your still only using a Pro I, then you basically have failed as a coach to evolve and give your team the best chance to move the football and dictate to a defense, trust Oneback!""
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