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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #225 on: May 31, 2016, 12:32:59 AM »
As far as I can tell, ECO is a term only used on dumcoach, other than a joking reference by Mike Shanahan once in an interview.

Joe Gibbs's crowd tended to refer to their offense as the West Coast Offense, I believe, but they meant it was a derivative of the AFL Chargers. Air Coryell was part of that tree, as was the Greatest Show on Turf.

I think it was basically a relatively complex deep passing game, with route trees, and a relatively simple, often zone-based running game.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #226 on: May 31, 2016, 12:38:13 AM »
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #227 on: May 31, 2016, 07:51:14 AM »
I'm not arguing with any of that. I agree what Osborne did was amazing and that Riley has been very underwhelming. I'm not endorsing the ECO or anything else just pointing out that they all have won championships in some capacity of football multiple times over and that if you compare the great dynasties you'll find similarities not in exact scheme (all though most had great running games) but in execution of whatever chosen scheme both Osbornes's Nebraska teams and Saban's Alabama teams usually had one of the best if not the best offensive line in the country the years they won. I was btw in the last post referring to Sabans teams with McElwain as OC up until 2013 not Bear Bryant. I don't go back that far.

One interesting fact is that the counter play in the ECO was taken straight from Osborne's teams. So there's some overlap in scheme there.

Osbornes offense was two back power/option
The counter trey- was a 2 back play for them with the FB cutting backside for the pulling G/T block- along with:
2 back Power
FB Trap
Double Option
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #228 on: May 31, 2016, 09:03:28 AM »
I'm friends with Rich, he's a guy you want around. He's also very good friends with Bill, Like I am with Rich there's a bit of mentorship.

Rich came to defend Bill's honor so to speak. There's a lot of whisperer to bill from here...I know of 2...and 2 times I had to explain to bill my referance was not an attack. But the 2 whisperers made it sound like that. Ironically on a similiar thread about the Hawkeyes and bills email chain.

Either way this board lost 2 knowledgeable sources that have no financial gain for talking football...and give info pretty much freely.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #229 on: May 31, 2016, 09:13:51 AM »
I'm friends with Rich, he's a guy you want around. He's also very good friends with Bill, Like I am with Rich there's a bit of mentorship.

Rich came to defend Bill's honor so to speak. There's a lot of whisperer to bill from here...I know of 2...and 2 times I had to explain to bill my referance was not an attack. But the 2 whisperers made it sound like that. Ironically on a similiar thread about the Hawkeyes and bills email chain.

Either way this board lost 2 knowledgeable sources that have no financial gain for talking football...and give info pretty much freely.
It's similar to the life cycle 2 go away 2 are born I'm sure there will be other very knowledgeable Coaches that will step up or join at some point......
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #230 on: May 31, 2016, 09:17:33 AM »
It's similar to the life cycle 2 go away 2 are born I'm sure there will be other very knowledgeable Coaches that will step up or join at some point......

Bill's is not replaceable... either is rich

Chances are if there would be 2 to replace youde be paying for their information
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #231 on: May 31, 2016, 09:27:13 AM »
I'm friends with Rich, he's a guy you want around. He's also very good friends with Bill, Like I am with Rich there's a bit of mentorship.

Rich came to defend Bill's honor so to speak. There's a lot of whisperer to bill from here...I know of 2...and 2 times I had to explain to bill my referance was not an attack. But the 2 whisperers made it sound like that. Ironically on a similiar thread about the Hawkeyes and bills email chain.

Either way this board lost 2 knowledgeable sources that have no financial gain for talking football...and give info pretty much freely.

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Rich is good people. We had a good conversation before he left. But he hadn't been around in years really.

He will be a loss. Bill was too volatile forcing others out. Its always a give and take.
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #232 on: May 31, 2016, 09:45:04 AM »
My take, and this is not defending BMJ or belz or Rich - I think too many guys on here want to play youth football champion and come riding in to save the day when they really should just chill out a little bit (saying this about the thread BEFORE Clark got involved).  So belz made some strong statements and came off arrogant.  So what? Does that really impact any of us on here?  Is there really a need for someone to jump in and cut him down to size, so to speak?  Just ignore him if you don't agree. Or engage him on the facts and leave the petty little BS to the side.

There were a few guys on here who just wouldn't let it go.  Of course, it would have been nice had they read the damn original post in the first place - as belz said REPEATEDLY, what he was being accused of wasn't even what he said. And what I'm referring to really wasn't BMJ related anyway.

Personally, I will typically take the lead of a guy like MH, who is both as knowledgeable as they come and pretty even keeled. If I recall the early parts of this thread correctly, he worked out what was being said pretty quickly and found some common ground, it's too bad some on here couldn't find a similar place.

I find it ironic that some of the same people who whine about the wussification of society are the fastest to get all offended by some strong opinions.  I think some mirrors might come in handy.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #233 on: May 31, 2016, 09:51:42 AM »
My take, and this is not defending BMJ or belz or Rich - I think too many guys on here want to play youth football champion and come riding in to save the day when they really should just chill out a little bit (saying this about the thread BEFORE Clark got involved).  So belz made some strong statements and came off arrogant.  So what? Does that really impact any of us on here?  Is there really a need for someone to jump in and cut him down to size, so to speak?  Just ignore him if you don't agree. Or engage him on the facts and leave the petty little BS to the side.

There were a few guys on here who just wouldn't let it go.  Of course, it would have been nice had they read the damn original post in the first place - as belz said REPEATEDLY, what he was being accused of wasn't even what he said. And what I'm referring to really wasn't BMJ related anyway.

Personally, I will typically take the lead of a guy like MH, who is both as knowledgeable as they come and pretty even keeled. If I recall the early parts of this thread correctly, he worked out what was being said pretty quickly and found some common ground, it's too bad some on here couldn't find a similar place.

I find it ironic that some of the same people who whine about the wussification of society are the fastest to get all offended by some strong opinions.  I think some mirrors might come in handy.

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Good post. Coaching is a funny thing. You have to have a unique personality to get involved and keep it real....both on the field and on this Forum.

We've all said / done some dumb things. Good to reflect.
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #234 on: May 31, 2016, 09:57:55 AM »
J

Good post. Coaching is a funny thing. You have to have a unique personality to get involved and keep it real....both on the field and on this Forum.

We've all said / done some dumb things. Good to reflect.

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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #235 on: May 31, 2016, 11:10:37 AM »
I talk to Joe 6 x a week going on a year know for free and I know others do also. So these guys leaving at least IMHO are no loss what's so ever. I understand some of you guys have personal relationships with them but they way they went about things were wrong point blank. As I mentioned earlier in this thread if your resume backs up the shit you talk I'm good with it. But if your just talking and deameaning other Coaches and your  3-7 get the f$!# out of here. I view there departures as no loss and like I said I'm sure others will step up.I'm  sure Joe has no problem and will answer any and everything you want to know about pro style offense. Real Men don't start shit then run to other men when they get called  to the carpet for help to defend there actions. Anybody that worships another man ain't a man. At least that's how I was raised. And to defend someone as cowardly as those 3  I have to wonder .There's plenty of good Coaches and people here that I can learn from who needs that cult of average at best youth Coaches.....( How can I be in awe of a person that bleeds and breathes them same air as me)There gone and already forgotten let's move on and take from this thread concepts that are useful.The best is yet to come from this site and I hope everyone thats still here will continue to support and contribute however they can.It's definitely made me a better Coach....
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #236 on: May 31, 2016, 11:41:02 AM »
OK.  Back to football, gentlemen.
PS:  I tagged a "like" on the post above because Belz hasn't posted in five days.  That just makes me suspicious.
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #238 on: May 31, 2016, 11:55:31 AM »
And this, which is NOT the Sid Gillman offense (yeah, I'm talking to you, Mahonz): http://smartfootball.com/offense/the-original-one-back-spread-offense#sthash.LD0bsdqH.dpbs
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Re: Hawkeyes using Mountjoy's offense?
« Reply #239 on: May 31, 2016, 11:59:09 AM »
Joe Gibbs got Counter Trey from Nebraska, by the way.
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