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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2015, 07:45:45 PM »
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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2015, 01:37:32 AM »
Are you the HC?  If so you just tell him what you are running.  End... of... story.
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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2015, 09:11:38 AM »
Are you the HC?  If so you just tell him what you are running.  End... of... story.

I did and we did for 2 years together...end of the day your relationships with your coaches is whats most important.  We worked it out but had we not reached out and explored new ideas I wouldve lost an assistant and a good friend.

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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2015, 09:18:24 AM »
I did and we did for 2 years together...end of the day your relationships with your coaches is whats most important.  We worked it out but had we not reached out and explored new ideas I wouldve lost an assistant and a good friend.

Open minds gents

A lot of guys coach for that reason
For me- it's about the kids experience- not the coaches
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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2015, 09:24:02 AM »
A lot of guys coach for that reason
For me- it's about the kids experience- not the coaches
Yes, but if you have a good relationship with your coaches, your kids usually have good experiences. Plus I would never want a coach that didn't value my input and wasn't willing to at least listen to my ideas and opinions.

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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2015, 09:35:43 AM »
Ive seen youth coaches sacrifice an entire season- because they didn't want to rock the boat or stand up to a coach who wasn't making the right choices- because they were buddies and they didn't want to hurt anyones feelings

Seen the same thing where a guy will give his buddies kid more playing time or in a position he shouldn't play, favoritism for the very same reason.

You can be "nice" and respectful to your coaches and still have all the kids best interests as #1- that isn't mutually exclusive in any way.
The games are for the kids- not for me to build my Christmas card list
The needs of the team- goal of making the kids season special trumps my need for more buddies

Head coaches are head coaches for a reason- they make the tough choices, not the one that makes them the most popular. It's called leadership

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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2015, 09:51:02 AM »
My teams were never a democracy, always a dictatorship. That doesn't mean I wasn't a benevolent dictator just always a dictator. My coaches always had a certain amount of input, but the final choices was always mine. I always determined the schemes & who started, of course I let my AC's "think" they had control. The other issues was usually on each staff there are coaches that will have more input than others depending on their ability.

I planned every practice, but would ask for input. I did the game plans again would ask for input. If the AC didn't watch film, or see the team live than don't give me any input since it would useless. When I had AC's that couldn't run a drill correctly, we found other things for them do. Hence the "Hold my clipboard" coach that we always seemed to have.

In Charlotte, my best AC didn't have a son on the team. He also had my complete trust because he could flat out coach. We spoke everyday during the season, we always had everything worked out before we arrived at practice. He always told me I started coaching before my car pulled into the parking lot.

A HC has to learn how to balance all these things, but realize it's always team first. Winning is fun, guys always want to be with a winner. Putting the team first will always give you the best chance to win.

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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2015, 10:48:29 AM »
I coach for me. Im selfish. I must be entertained as well or its just not worth it. I used to do it for the kids. Still do....but my approach is different now.  I dont take things that seriously anymore. Its just a game.

Plus I'd rather create long standing relationships with grown men....not a bunch of 10 year olds.

I can see Zach's point.
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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2015, 11:00:07 AM »
Im really not looking for approval from any of you... coaching football is fun and I dont get paid.

I treasure teaching blocking , tackling and  awareness. That is coaching football...building confidence through fundamentals that they can take else where.

The kids are better served if coaches thought more like this.
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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2015, 11:17:18 AM »
Mike

Don't you think winning would be more entertaining?

My relationships have always been with my coaches, that has never stopped it from being a Dictatorship. A benign Dictatorship that wins is always the perfect answer. The thing about coaching is  finding the 1 or 2 things a player can do & making them do it.

I can understand where going 5-5 can be boring, but having a team exceed their reach is certainly never boring. Considering the amount of time you put into it, you do take it seriously; as you should. So then the question is how do you get them to exceed their reach?

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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2015, 11:23:02 AM »
Zach

Approval in youth football is something no one ever gets, so I get the not having a need to chase it.

How many times I have I stated those who tackle & block the best win? That is the only measure of how well it is being taught. In the end the scheme's mean nothing compared to the fundamentals of the players. I know for a fact, if my team blocks & tackles better in Youth Football then we will win much more than we lose.

That all being said, the other points being made by coaches are valid, & it doesn't  matter whether anyone listens or not.

Joe
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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2015, 11:58:55 AM »
Mike

Don't you think winning would be more entertaining?

My relationships have always been with my coaches, that has never stopped it from being a Dictatorship. A benign Dictatorship that wins is always the perfect answer. The thing about coaching is  finding the 1 or 2 things a player can do & making them do it.

I can understand where going 5-5 can be boring, but having a team exceed their reach is certainly never boring. Considering the amount of time you put into it, you do take it seriously; as you should. So then the question is how do you get them to exceed their reach?

Joe


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Honestly....has nothing to do with winning. Losing pisses me off. Its just how I approach all the other stuff that has changed for me over the years. Lately....its more about training coaches than kids so I can sit back and enjoy the show a little bit more. I haven't called an Offensive play in....2 Fall Seasons and now 2 Spring Seasons yet I put the entire Offense together every season.

I like coaching the OL and DL but still train up the Dads how to coach up the WR's and the backfield. That inspires them to do a better job. Give them ownership in something and see how they do....let them discover their own style. That actually works out really well.  One thing I have noticed by doing this....now the Dads never think they are smarter than me and create that cancer...but not always.

Our 2nd Grade Season we ended up with a couple of real Cowboys on the Staff. One I had known for years on the semi pro circuit. When my son moved after that Season he gave them the Team. They went 0-8 scoring about 30 points and giving up over 400. They didn't listen to a single thing we taught them....although I wasn't part of the day to day stuff that 2nd grade Season. It turned into a full blown Dictatorship per my Son out of necessity....even Lar had to ride that crap out but Lar is a Team guy through and through and rolled with it....not these Cowboys....they were smarter than everyone and completely out of the coaching mix now.

But I agree with the Dictatorship....I do rule with and iron fist but always give every coach a chance at some ownership. Willie Nillie Peaches and Creame will never work. There has to be a Hierarchy.  The OC in training right now is doing great. He is joining our Fall team this year. Really happy about that and I like his style. Once he fully understands what we are doing on O....he can start in on the design process....eventually without my help. He is no idiot and I am not Sadam Insane.

As long as the kids understand the Hierarchy....I could care less who wears what hat. At the youth level...a Tittle is nothing more than....a hat. The OL /DL coach is still the one providing the plan.  :) This Spring we HAD to elect a HC for League purposes because the Staff really didn't give two hoots who wore that hat. We have 6 Coaches from 3 different Fall Teams. We were just going to elect our Team Mom to do all that for us but she broke her foot and cant come to the games. What does a youth HC really do anyway that is so special?...talk to the white hat pregame? I cant really think of anything else.

I think Zach's decision to go with what his long time friend wants to do is a great choice. Its what he is comfortable with....and at the end of the day its all the same....football is football. If this OC Im training eventually wants to run the DW...great! Now I can see how well the DW works with 3 foot splits !

Its only a game...so enjoy yourself while you are at it.  :)

Just my take....and I know we youth coaches all tend to take ourselves too seriously. I say sit back a little and enjoy. Time flies and before you know it your own sons that you are coaching right now....are getting married.
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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2015, 12:08:02 PM »
Mike

I guess for me the fact that I have never coached my children makes things different. So the only way I can judge if I have done a good job is by the wins. The other is cowboys won't last on my staff, not a good experience for anyone.

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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2015, 12:42:07 PM »
Mike

I guess for me the fact that I have never coached my children makes things different. So the only way I can judge if I have done a good job is by the wins. The other is cowboys won't last on my staff, not a good experience for anyone.

Joe

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Plus getting older changes perspectives as you know. You are a paid professional....if you were still at the youth level.....you'd become Lovable Joe.  :)

I have won my fair share of hardware....very fortunate really....but now I think back on the the atmosphere that chasing hardware promotes. Its pretty silly really. Do I want to win it all every year....HELL YES ! If that doesn't happen....oh well....life goes on about an hour after the last game of the season.
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Re: mountjoy phonecall and first coaches meeting
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2015, 12:50:23 PM »
Mike

There is a definite mellowing; however chasing perfection hasn't changed. It's not a matter of chasing the hardware, I actually keep very little of it.

30 years ago coaches were much more intense, it's different today. That doesn't mean we demand any less.

The question was about enjoying yourself, winning sure beats losing.

Joe
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