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Re: No zone?
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2018, 09:10:10 PM »
If you get wide enough, they can't stunt.
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Re: No zone?
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2018, 10:22:42 PM »
How have you handled d line stunts?  We went fingertip to fingertip for our splits. Not exactly mega, but pretty wide for 9's. We had a little trouble later in the year with teams that decided to start running stunts.

We slow play them. I wish I could be more precise and descriptive. I've been wracking my brain to figure out how to apply dead set rules, but so far, no luck. Essentially, I tell the not to chase. It starts out with stacks/taps, which our defense likes to do. I explain that each guy will be going into a different gap, so communicate which gap you're taking.  Then, we progress to long stick stunts, which are a little trickier, but I just tell them not to chase and understand that if the defense is sound, someone will be showing up shortly. Our guys are pretty smart, so I'm curious how this will work out with a new crop of 2nd graders. We might get stung once or twice, but I'm really big on getting the o-line to think for themselves and figure things out.
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Re: No zone?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2018, 10:25:19 PM »
If you get wide enough, they can't stunt.

And that. We capped our splits at 6' this Spring. It was getting ridiculous. With those splits, a 5 tech is a full 7 and a half yards from the ball.  Stunt away, big boy. Hope you got your cardio in.
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Re: No zone?
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2018, 05:58:51 PM »
Anyone have any experience running "oneback" without zone?
That fairly well describes the last team I coached on in the Bronx Warriors: 9Us in 2015.  Offense was rather "vanilla" w OL splits about wrist to wrist, or maybe fingertips, I forgot exactly.  Blocking scheme IIRC was on, inside gap, LB, but away from the hole just scoop inside to LB.  Flow from play side into LBs on quick pitch, hooking the end via reach-crab technique.

Many of the plays were w another RB in the near backfield leading or faking, but the orient'n was primarily ace w bootleg threat.

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Re: No zone?
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2018, 10:10:46 PM »
No zone, No problem.

As long as you get the 5 offensive lineman up front mashing people (as well as "mashing" the right people); the specific scheme shouldn't matter.


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Re: No zone?
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2018, 11:12:19 PM »
Yeah, knock them all down, and everything works.
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Re: No zone?
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2018, 09:20:20 PM »
That fairly well describes the last team I coached on in the Bronx Warriors: 9Us in 2015.  Offense was rather "vanilla" w OL splits about wrist to wrist, or maybe fingertips, I forgot exactly.  Blocking scheme IIRC was on, inside gap, LB, but away from the hole just scoop inside to LB.  Flow from play side into LBs on quick pitch, hooking the end via reach-crab technique.

Many of the plays were w another RB in the near backfield leading or faking, but the orient'n was primarily ace w bootleg threat.

Won the championship, but largely via defense.  I'd moved to NJ by season's end.

Ours was vanilla as far as the playbook. We used a ton of formations though. Defenses had a hard time aligning correctly and we would take advantage of that to the best of our ability. Moving defenders is almost always easier than blocking them.

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Re: No zone?
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2018, 09:07:43 AM »
Moving defenders is almost always easier than blocking them.

Imagine mega splits with multi form offenses lol
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Re: No zone?
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2018, 10:26:31 AM »
Can you go UTC with Mega splits? Or do you have to be in gun only?

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Re: No zone?
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2018, 10:31:38 AM »
Can you go UTC with Mega splits? Or do you have to be in gun only?

Ah so here is the issue...under center mega splits is hella tough... why...double a gap rush  amongst other things atleast vs my 1 back.  Now quick hitter plays and mega splits its a match and has been for decades eg utc option offenses.

1 back we max out our split around 3 feet with an avg of 2 feet which is still hella wide compared to my competition but, no where near 6 feet
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Re: No zone?
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2018, 10:34:23 AM »
Imagine mega splits with multi form offenses lol

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Re: No zone?
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2018, 10:42:38 AM »
Can you go UTC with Mega splits? Or do you have to be in gun only?

Yes....but you cannot use a rhythmic cadence.  Has to be first sound.
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Re: No zone?
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2018, 10:52:41 AM »
Yes....but you cannot use a rhythmic cadence.  Has to be first sound.

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Re: No zone?
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2018, 11:16:11 AM »
Mahonz tends to think everything that applies to him applies to everyone, when almost none of it does.
All his posts should default to start with In my experience..... lol.

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Re: No zone?
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2018, 11:23:15 AM »
Mahonz tends to think everything that applies to him applies to everyone, when almost none of it does.

You absolutely couldn't be more wrong. Why even post such nonsense?

DO NOT USE A RHYTHMIC CADENCE WHEN USING MEGA SPLITS....uc or in the gun. You have to be able to control any overloads. Period.

You can still do all of your pre snap motions and shifts.

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