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General Offense Discussion / Re: 12U Spin Style out of Inverted Bone
« Last post by dynodonfb7 on Today at 10:07:15 PM »
Dave - you just hit the nail on the head.  This is why if the timing is achievable and it looks feasible...I want to stay as close to the inverted bone/diamond-t as possible.  Too many formations and alignments within formations can be confusing.  Like I said, I don't want to force this too work, just something I am playing with in my head and on paper.  Probably more so because I miss football and can't wait to get back out on the field.   lol
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General Offense Discussion / Re: 12U Spin Style out of Inverted Bone
« Last post by CoachDP on Today at 09:18:53 PM »
I want to work with and hear experiences....ideas?? about the QB and RB timing and exchange

The common mistake is to try to incorporate too much.  Coaches (and players) have a tendency to get bored with 1,000 (good) reps, but that's far more effective than trying to incorporate 1,000 spins, formations and motions.

--Dave
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General Offense Discussion / Re: 12U Spin Style out of Inverted Bone
« Last post by dynodonfb7 on Today at 08:40:01 PM »
Dave, thanks for your comments.  As far as sticking with the same backfield we welcome new talent and are actively looking for new kids, but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be much change.  If we get a kid that can transition nicely into the backfield, I am all for it.  Though, two of our backs have been starting backs since flag football.  We had a new QB last year that I am expecting will be our QB this year.  If at all possible, I would like to keep our formations within the same "extended" family (3 back set, with a balanced set and attack from the backfield).  I like to think this benefits our young QB, but also makes things easier to teach and coach as well (at least for me).  As far as blocking schemes, we are pretty basic with the GOD technique.  Last year was the first year for this line with crosses, pulls, and traps....so they are a bit green, but I am hoping to incorporate more of that this year.  I can't speak for years past, as I didn't coach them then.  Though, historically they lacked physicality and size.  We have a couple of linemen that are quality, though lack speed.  We also have a couple of kids that I think will be promising on the line next year...(speed and aggression).  Though, honestly, I want to work with and hear experiences....ideas?? about the QB and RB timing and exchange, before I start looking at blocks.  Being a former QB, that is where my experience lies and what I am experienced with.  If the timing isn't there from the beginning, then no need moving further. 
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Single Wing Football / Re: Blocking Drills for the 3-back
« Last post by CoachDP on Today at 07:48:00 PM »
a good drill should involve vision screens.

Explain.

--Dave
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General Offense Discussion / Re: 12U Spin Style out of Inverted Bone
« Last post by CoachDP on Today at 07:46:35 PM »
I would like to stick to the diamond T, simply because our kids are familiar with it

--Unless you're switching schemes mid-season, that reason doesn't account for much.  What happens when you get a kid who hasn't played for you before?  Does he sink right to the bottom of the depth chart because he's not familiar with your offense?  Kids learn what you can teach.  Now if you want to stick with the Diamond T because it's what you are familiar with, I can get on board with that.

I am imagining a 3 back offense that can flawlessly transition on the field from a bone, to a double wing, flex bone, and lastly the diamond T (with a spin series included) with zero substitutions.  If that makes sense???

--It not only makes sense, it's something that is easily accomplished.

Also, the backs crisscrossing was exactly what I had envisoned and played with on paper.  Of course, you could also incorporate an orbit motion and so forth.  Just wondering if anyone else had gone down the same path before I start wasting time chasing something that won't pan out.

--You can add a spin series to just about any offense I can think of.  And at the youth level, the more well-developed fakes, motion and criss-crossing, the more successful your offense can be.  How do you plan to block your plays?

--Dave

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General Discussion / Re: Former NFL Players Calling for Youth FB Ban
« Last post by CoachDP on Today at 07:36:38 PM »
where I went to school the teachers were those who either failed in other majors or were looking for husbands

Oh, they're still looking for husbands.

--Dave
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I saw a flyer for The Eagles and Jimmy Buffet. Together at the same show. Shoot me.

The same show?  Yikes, there should be some sort of law...

Rob, I'll not only shoot you, I'll shoot myself. 

--Dave
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General Offense Discussion / Re: 12U Spin Style out of Inverted Bone
« Last post by dynodonfb7 on Today at 07:32:38 PM »
Thanks Bob.  If possible, I would like to stick to the diamond T, simply because our kids are familiar with it, it fits into our three back set (bone, diamond T, and probably....double wing), and we can change formations...or even series without having to change personnel.  The kids ran it at the end of the year last year, so we already have a series of plays to go with the diamond T....I called the spin a "series" as that is exactly how I envision it.  A possible series of plays out of a pre-existing formation that already has pre-existing plays.  That way I can flip series and either run a traditional diamond T with leads, sweeps, and counters, or I can move from this series and start a spin series out of the same formation and look.  Overall, I am imagining a 3 back offense that can flawlessly transition on the field from a bone, to a double wing, flex bone, and lastly the diamond T (with a spin series included) with zero substitutions.  If that makes sense???  Also, the backs crisscrossing was exactly what I had envisoned and played with on paper.  Of course, you could also incorporate an orbit motion and so forth.  Just wondering if anyone else had gone down the same path before I start wasting time chasing something that won't pan out.
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General Offense Discussion / Re: 12U Spin Style out of Inverted Bone
« Last post by bigshel on Today at 07:23:08 PM »
My question to you is why the inverted bone (diamond T)? The video you linked to is the short punt formation, and the spin has been run from that since forever. No need to re-invent the wheel. In fact Coach Tom Lewis (whose video you linked to) has a website with materials available. He used to spend time over at Coach Huey's board. Haven't seen him in a while, though.

I understand Coach Cisar has a really good spin series as well in his single wing. And he's available on here frequently.
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General Offense Discussion / Re: 12U Spin Style out of Inverted Bone
« Last post by Bob Goodman on Today at 07:06:14 PM »
Your general idea is right, but that doesn't mean your formation should look like you expect the way the backs will be disposed during the mesh.  By "inverted bone" I take it you mean diamond T.  OK, except I think if you start drawing up meshing paths from that, you'll find some of those players need to waste some time standing in place to avoid colliding with the others.  Instead, you should figure out a mesh arrangement and then "reverse the film", mentally (or actually on grass) stepping your guys backwards from that mesh.

Crossfire series has been diagrammed here a few times.  The backs cross paths bang-bang, but they don't start in a symmetric diamond.  Mahonz has some meshes that look bewildering.  My sidesaddle T, same idea but deliberately cockeyed.

Buck sweep & belly sweep are built around 3-back meshes.  If you want to get a 4th back in there, don't try to place the 4th back as the exact mirror image of the other halfback.
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