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Improving second level blocking
« on: April 08, 2018, 02:55:30 AM »
I would like to know, do what others do to improve second level/ downfield blocking from their linemen?

I'm specifically interested in coaching points such as where their eyes should be,  do you teach them to breakdown etc, although drills are fine too. 

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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2018, 11:09:16 AM »
I teach second level blocking the same as open field tackle drills...only difference is the finish

Also Michaels slow oklahoma is great also, just set up the defender in a lb position off the ball.

Basics are

-Keep "eyes up the nose"
-Hand ready to strike and lock in
-Get in the chest plate so youre arms are still bent
-Runnem where ever he wants to go
-Finish locked on,in, or with him on the ground
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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2018, 12:00:11 PM »
I think keeping your hands on him once you get your hands on him is big.

It's hard enough to make contact once, but kids always seem to want to do it a lot more than once.  Eventually they miss and lunge and then it's over.
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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2018, 12:19:26 PM »
Can someone give me examples of open field blocking where there's even opportunity, let alone need, to keep hands on?  The only situation I can imagine like that is WR on CB.  Everything else, the hit is so violent & the play situation so transient w.r.t. the runner, that I can't see it.

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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2018, 09:53:11 PM »
Part of the key is to not have them flying to the second level in the first place.  Let the RB bring the LB to you.  The last thing you want is a kid just taking off and chasing a LB.

If you're wrapping, on Power or Counter or any similar play, identify the first LB past the C presnap and track him through your pull.  I like to teach a skip pull for a wrapping OL (but not one who's kicking out).

If it's a zone or base blocking scheme, or a combo block on Power, and you're working up to LB, it's just that... WORK UP TO him.  Press with your off hand on a DL who's head up or shaded the other way while keeping eyes in your gap and that other arm free.  Drive vertical.  Ideally you'll block the LB within 2 yards of the LOS as the back presses the hole.

On a veer scheme, where the OL is going straight to LB, you need to take the proper release off the LOS (that's a whole post in itself) and then get vertical with your eyes inside.  Go up for 2-3 steps under control, then turn in and pin the LB.

If you're scooping on the backside and need to get a LB, you open flat and work through your gap, eventually getting to the second level at a steep angle (aiming through the presnap hip of a NT gives you a decent idea of how sharp to go).  Again, let the LB come to you instead of flying out there at him and whiffing in the open field.

When contact is made, you need to come in low.  I like to fit with the shoulder or flipper for a better hitting surface.  Whichever shoulder you're hitting with, that foot should be in front for power.  Then sink your hips as you make contact with eyes under his eyes, pads under his pads, hands under his hands, and hips under his hips.  Run your feet through the block and uncoil your hips on contact to explode into the block.
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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2018, 11:08:29 AM »
I teach second level blocking the same as open field tackle drills...only difference is the finish

Yes, this ^

Take your Linebacker drills and incorporate them to your linemen.  Only difference is: Linebackers hit, wrap, drive and take down.  Linemen simply hit and drive.

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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2018, 12:17:44 PM »
If you look at these blast play's you will see how the rb's set the blocks up for FB AND H .  This also shows how its more 1st guy that shows on your track than picking a guy. We also have drills that reinforce this every offensive day.  The Good the bad the ugly.....



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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2018, 01:38:52 PM »
Awesome. Thanks to everyone for the great responses.

It's interesting because I've never really seen the similarities before between second level blocking and playing linebacker. I'll try to take that approach in the future


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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 02:06:09 AM »
The same concept as Zach and CoachDP...the words we used were "Step on Toes"...it allowed us to cover up the second level and let our back set up the block.

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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2018, 04:26:40 PM »
Whichever shoulder you're hitting with, that foot should be in front for power.  Then sink your hips as you make contact
???  I teach the exact opposite body mechanics for a moving block.

I want the hips low before contact, extending with contact, and the foot moving forward on the same side as the shoulder hits.  In other words, force coming from the opposite foot on the ground, with some rotation of the hips into the contact during the contact, not before.

If I wanted a "resistance" type block, then I'd want both feet down and more or less even with each other.  But in the open field you can't count on getting the advantage of both feet down, you want the advantage of running thru the opponent.

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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2018, 10:19:24 PM »
???  I teach the exact opposite body mechanics for a moving block.

I want the hips low before contact, extending with contact, and the foot moving forward on the same side as the shoulder hits.  In other words, force coming from the opposite foot on the ground, with some rotation of the hips into the contact during the contact, not before.

If I wanted a "resistance" type block, then I'd want both feet down and more or less even with each other.  But in the open field you can't count on getting the advantage of both feet down, you want the advantage of running thru the opponent.

When I said "sink your hips as you make contact" I mean that you should have them low just as you're about to make the block, then roll them forward on contact to generate lift and added force into the block.  I believe we agree on that point, just somehow used different word choices.

As for which foot is up when the block is made--keep in mind that I'm talking about small fractions of a second here for when he plants that foot into the ground as he delivers the blow when I say that the "hitting foot" should be forward--I certainly don't want him actually stopping his feet

The thing is that if you have the opposite foot up from the hitting surface and you've got "the foot moving forward on the same side as the shoulder hits" during the block, what you wind up with is with an incomplete transfer of force from one foot to the other.  The contact with a defender will actually turn the blocker slightly and provide a weaker surface, likely knocking him off balance.

Try it yourself.  Stand with your shoulder low and the opposite foot forward while holding a hand shield tight to your body in one arm in practice sometime.  Then have a kid hit your "hitting surface."  It won't take much for him to turn your body or knock you off balance, even if you're trying to step into the shoulder.  Now do the opposite: have both the shoulder and the same foot up, like you're bracing with the shield.  Even if you're giving up a significant amount of weight and the kid has a running start, it's going to be very difficult for force applied to that point to turn your body now.

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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2018, 03:29:35 AM »
The thing is that if you have the opposite foot up from the hitting surface and you've got "the foot moving forward on the same side as the shoulder hits" during the block, what you wind up with is with an incomplete transfer of force from one foot to the other.  The contact with a defender will actually turn the blocker slightly and provide a weaker surface, likely knocking him off balance.
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Try it yourself.  Stand with your shoulder low and the opposite foot forward while holding a hand shield tight to your body in one arm in practice sometime.  Then have a kid hit your "hitting surface."  It won't take much for him to turn your body or knock you off balance, even if you're trying to step into the shoulder.  Now do the opposite: have both the shoulder and the same foot up, like you're bracing with the shield.  Even if you're giving up a significant amount of weight and the kid has a running start, it's going to be very difficult for force applied to that point to turn your body now.
...the problem is with how you're modeling it.

You are indeed getting incomplete xfer of force from foot to foot.  But that's because you're xferring force to the player you're hitting.  He's also xferring force to you.  It's an unavoidable consequence of football & the laws of motion.  You are indeed better braced w the hitting foot forward & planted.  Boxers & fencers know this.  But that's not your job when you're blocking on a running play.  It really doesn't matter what happens to your own body, it matters only what you do to your opponent's.

If this were a block that needed to be sustained, I'd agree there are advantages to the opposite of what I'm writing.  In such a case, you do need to stay up to stay w the block.  But downfield blocking is a matter of knocking the opponent momentarily off stride.  In fact if you can get your opponent to brace for the contact & knock you down as you suggest, you win!  Your opponent has knocked you down & is still on his feet, but his pursuit of the ballcarrier's been thrown off.  He's lost his angle, has to redirect.

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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2018, 10:34:19 AM »
I found when you tell kids 11u to sink they will bend over at the hips

Thats why we use michaels "eyes up the nose" cue for teaching the "hip sink"
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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2018, 12:44:29 PM »
I found when you tell kids 11u to sink they will bend over at the hips

Thats why we use michaels "eyes up the nose" cue for teaching the "hip sink"

Timely advice a couple of our backups are struggling with this big time.  Thanks I'll see if that cue helps any

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Re: Improving second level blocking
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2018, 12:34:37 PM »
I found when you tell kids 11u to sink they will bend over at the hips

Thats why we use michaels "eyes up the nose" cue for teaching the "hip sink"

Can you elaborate on that a little?
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