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Losing ground
« on: March 05, 2018, 12:44:28 PM »
How many of you OL Coaches are using any of this McNally stuff in regard's to losing ground against outside shades on OZ and that double under technique he raves about and the circular force.
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Re: Losing ground
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2018, 01:14:43 PM »
We always use the double-under.

As far as the first step, it depends on our relative speeds and our relative positions.  If he's wide and way faster, we lose ground.  If he's right in front of us and slow, we go right at him.  And all the other possibilities fit somewhere between those two extremes.
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Re: Losing ground
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2018, 02:09:24 PM »
Not sure giving ground is as big an issue as opposed to not getting the block at all.  As Lombardi said, take them where they want to go with authority!   
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Re: Losing ground
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2018, 02:21:43 PM »
i just can wrap my head around ever giving up ground . My approach with OL has always been get off and strike 1st. We know were we want to go .The defender has to worry about me and ball there for we have a slight advantage and we should use it by getting to him 1st and drive his ass for 12 step's.
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Re: Losing ground
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2018, 02:51:12 PM »
As Michael points out, thats hard to do if you are getting beat off the ball anyway.  If I give a step and engage as he comes off, at least I get an opportunity to take him on and take him where he wants to go!    ;)
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Re: Losing ground
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2018, 02:56:35 PM »
Our first step on OZ is dependent upon the width of the defender we are working towards.  The PST will "pick it up and put it down" vs a head up DL.  The wider the DL is, the larger of the bucket step the OL will take.  A full bucket step will work at a 45 degree angle and get depth and width. 

So then the question is, "why depth?".  And the answer is simple:  leverage. 

The DL's first step is up the field.  If the OL's first step is straight lateral, the point where contact happens will never be near the outside number of the DL...but, rather will be at the inside number of the DL.  The purpose for getting depth is to allow the space required for the OL to get to a point where the OL can reach the outside number of the DL.  It is the same principle as an OT dealing with a wide pass rush...if the OT moves out, he's beat, and therefore needs to move straight back...to get to the point of intersection/where the collision will happen first/before the DL can get there.  Similarly is the reason why the BSG on POWER has to PULL to get to the play side ILB...if the BSG ran straight for the play side ILB he wouldn't have the leverage needed to make the play work. 

With all of that said, the VERTICAL splits of the OL is something to take into consideration as well.  If the OL is barely legal (so far back off the ball that the helmet of the OG's and OT's are barely breaking the plane of the Center's hips), the a bucket step/getting depth is not necessarily required...by alignment, the OL will already have the leverage if he steps laterally.    If the vertical splits of the OL is "credit card" distance away from the ball, the bigger the bucket step is required to reach a DL. 

The last point about a bucket step is that, the player must make sure to get their "cleats in the ground" before they transfer their weight to leg that is taking the bucket step.  If they don't, their bucket step foot will move in a manner that is similar to pushing themselves on a skateboard and lose all of the width that they would have gained...this results in advantage defense. 

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Re: Losing ground
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2018, 05:31:45 PM »
We teach whats called a fire step when we need to work our head to far shoulder and concentrate on staying stuck to that man for 12 steps.  It accomplishes same thing. I been seeing this thought process lately in my off season study and i get it  but boy  its a risky proposition.
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Re: Losing ground
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2018, 06:12:34 PM »
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I am a big believer in the bucket step, I don't really consider it losing ground. We are still violent with the second step. Last season we used 2 shuffles instead of the bucket. The idea being keeping the shoulders & eyes square. It worked fine but to be honest I like the bucket step better.

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Re: Losing ground
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2018, 01:56:47 PM »
Our first step on OZ is dependent upon the width of the defender we are working towards.  The PST will "pick it up and put it down" vs a head up DL.  The wider the DL is, the larger of the bucket step the OL will take.  A full bucket step will work at a 45 degree angle and get depth and width.   

This is what I do as well.  If that DE is out wide, whether I have him with a T or TE, if the DE is coming hard up field, then the drop step is most effective.  We take him deep and keep him wide using leverage if he tries to go outside the block. If he tries to bull rush at us, then we are driving him inside.  Then our backs are reading that key block - if the DE is deep, we cut up - if he is inside, we kick it outside.