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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2017, 12:18:30 PM »
They had more trouble with the wing-t blocking, so we ditched it and came up with something quick and simple. Prior to changing, we couldn't even make first downs. Once we switched, even though it was for just 2 games, we moved the ball with much more consistency and authority.

Once you switched, you had more success.  Which means your players could block just fine.  Which also means the issue was either with the blocking scheme, or the way the blocking scheme was taught.  If it was a "real" Wing-T blocking scheme, then you know that there's nothing wrong with the scheme.  It is an established, authentic, time-tested and successful scheme.  A real scheme authored by a real coach (even though there are several iterations).  So either it was a bastardized scheme, or you weren't able to teach the scheme you had chosen. 

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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2017, 08:52:37 PM »
Once you switched, you had more success.  Which means your players could block just fine.  Which also means the issue was either with the blocking scheme, or the way the blocking scheme was taught.  If it was a "real" Wing-T blocking scheme, then you know that there's nothing wrong with the scheme.  It is an established, authentic, time-tested and successful scheme.  A real scheme authored by a real coach (even though there are several iterations).  So either it was a bastardized scheme, or you weren't able to teach the scheme you had chosen. 

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"Which also means the issue was either with the blocking scheme, or the way the blocking scheme was taught."
That equates to my favorite group of people to bash, Adults. It is not the kids, but the adults. And yes, I am in that group.
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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2017, 11:09:20 AM »
In the process of coaching in another organization. Attended the first meeting of the season. While at meeting , heard promising aspects. One of their top priority,  was to establishing Double Wing,  with everybody using same terminology and core plays. What struck me was the mentioning of the use of OIL Blocking as part of their blocking scheme.  Has anybody heard or used this before? Your opinions very much welcome.

OIL is the old school base blocking rule.  It means On, Inside, Linebacker.  It was one of the first "rule blocking" rules to develop for straight ahead run plays.

It's weird they want to use it in the DW.  I'm a fan of SAB and track blocking, especially with a TE/WB surface.  OIL tends to create a lot of 1 on 1 blocks at the POA if the defense covers up your OL and kind of works against what you're actually trying to do in the DW.

You also run into issues where kids have a hard time determining if an outside shade is "On" or if they need to go to the Inside or Linebacker.  It's mostly been supplanted by count systems and other acronyms like GOB and GOD that change the rule to block the inside gap first, then the guy "on" you.

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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2017, 11:23:48 AM »
OIL is the old school base blocking rule.  It means On, Inside, Linebacker.  It was one of the first "rule blocking" rules to develop for straight ahead run plays.

It's weird they want to use it in the DW.  I'm a fan of SAB and track blocking, especially with a TE/WB surface.  OIL tends to create a lot of 1 on 1 blocks at the POA if the defense covers up your OL and kind of works against what you're actually trying to do in the DW.
I could see its being desirable for a certain play or two you might run from double wing -- not any of the 4 plays you'd think of 1st with a Markham-style attack, but how about a quick hitter by the FB or QB?  The guards could block OIL, center OL, tackles IL, ends L.

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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2017, 01:46:03 PM »
Something to Consider

For General Base Blocking 10-50-90 rule for the DL (Per OL Position).


Play Direction Right>          10-50-90...... 10% I have the Man Inside. 50% I have the Man Over, 90% Man Outside.

Pro Set Right.    OT, OG, C, OG, OT, TE.   

The old adage remains.  You cannot block 6 with 5, 7 with 6, or 8 with 7.   







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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2017, 04:42:39 PM »
Something to Consider

For General Base Blocking 10-50-90 rule for the DL (Per OL Position).


Play Direction Right>          10-50-90...... 10% I have the Man Inside. 50% I have the Man Over, 90% Man Outside.

Pro Set Right.    OT, OG, C, OG, OT, TE.   

The old adage remains.  You cannot block 6 with 5, 7 with 6, or 8 with 7.
But don't fall into the trap of thinking that you have to block all of them.

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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2017, 05:44:57 PM »
But don't fall into the trap of thinking that you have to block all of them.
Nope, just the right ones.
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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2017, 12:43:00 PM »

........................(50).................(50)................(50)................(50).................(50)..................(50)
................ (10)..OT..(90), (10)..OG..(90), (10)..C..(90), (10)..OG..(90), (10)..OT..(90),  (10)..TE..(90)

Play direction right. General 10/50/90 rule applied.


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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2017, 03:07:13 PM »
For General Base Blocking 10-50-90 rule for the DL (Per OL Position).


Play Direction Right>          10-50-90...... 10% I have the Man Inside. 50% I have the Man Over, 90% Man Outside.
What are those percentages?  Probabilities?

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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2017, 04:58:42 PM »
If you had a man head up, that was your man. If you had no defender head up, "check your OIL". O-for outside shade to inside shade of man outside you. I-for your inside shade to the outside shade of the man inside you. L-for linebacker. 

Yep that's crystal clear, no youth football player would ever get confused having to figure that one out  ::)

So OIL is clear as mud but GOD is super easy for players. 

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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2017, 11:23:57 AM »
Not to take sides, but GOD is a heck of a lot clearer than that description of OIL listed...

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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2017, 04:25:57 PM »
Not to take sides, but GOD is a heck of a lot clearer than that description of OIL listed...

You can explain GOD in the same awkward way.  When you think about 2 out of the 3 letters of GOD are in OIL.  The I for Inside is more clear than the G for Inside Gap, if you ask me. 



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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2017, 04:42:40 PM »
Not to take sides, but GOD is a heck of a lot clearer than that description of OIL listed...
Yeah, I had never seen OIL described like that. Confused the hell out of me. It wasn't about what the kids can process but about how the kids can process what you describe.  :o

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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2017, 04:48:27 PM »
You can explain GOD in the same awkward way.  When you think about 2 out of the 3 letters of GOD are in OIL.  The I for Inside is more clear than the G for Inside Gap, if you ask me.
I actually prefer IOL over GOB because of what you describe BUT we also teach GOD and GDB so I keep it the same. One of our first teaches when going over the oline rules is what in, over, forward and back are in relation to the ball. We teach "those 4 because we use it so much with other things but we make sure the line knows the relationship between the two(gap) immediately.

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Re: OIL Blocking in the Double Wing?
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2017, 05:09:56 PM »
Yeah, I had never seen OIL described like that. Confused the hell out of me. It wasn't about what the kids can process but about how the kids can process what you describe.  :o

My original comment is moot cause I misunderstood what Dave was getting at.  I now understand he meant his way of teaching it is confusing, not the rule itself.