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Offline CoachAJ-SC

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Best Back Can't Throw
« on: May 28, 2017, 01:49:33 PM »
Gentlemen,

Unless we're pleasantly surprised with one of the new additions to our team, this season it appears that our best running back is not good at throwing the ball. While I'm confident he'll be a beast running the power, sweep, etc, (as he has been in the past), I don't see/trust him throwing the 16 pass or the 18 sweep pass. When you guys have had a similar situation, how did you approach it? Did you sometimes alternate a better thrower into your 1 back rotation or did you just put the best runner at another spot? Thanks in advance for your feedback.

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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2017, 03:06:38 PM »
Gentlemen,

Unless we're pleasantly surprised with one of the new additions to our team, this season it appears that our best running back is not good at throwing the ball. While I'm confident he'll be a beast running the power, sweep, etc, (as he has been in the past), I don't see/trust him throwing the 16 pass or the 18 sweep pass. When you guys have had a similar situation, how did you approach it? Did you sometimes alternate a better thrower into your 1 back rotation or did you just put the best runner at another spot? Thanks in advance for your feedback.

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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2017, 03:51:13 PM »
Can any of your other backs throw?  Direct snap to them instead of the TB. 
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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2017, 05:37:21 PM »
Gentlemen,

Unless we're pleasantly surprised with one of the new additions to our team, this season it appears that our best running back is not good at throwing the ball. While I'm confident he'll be a beast running the power, sweep, etc, (as he has been in the past), I don't see/trust him throwing the 16 pass or the 18 sweep pass. When you guys have had a similar situation, how did you approach it? Did you sometimes alternate a better thrower into your 1 back rotation or did you just put the best runner at another spot? Thanks in advance for your feedback.

That's a major reason I run the single wing.  I would run power and sweep so much that all the 1 back needs to do is chuck an ugly duck pass over everyone's head for a TD.   Sometimes I have instructed him to throw an incomplete over everyone's head so the other team thinks we have a passing play.


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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2017, 06:00:21 PM »
Can any of your other backs throw?  Direct snap to them instead of the TB.
That's how I'd do it.  The only reason to have the TB be the primary passer is for his passes to set up his runs, & vice versa.

Coach AJ-SC, is your 1 back's passing so bad that the plays you mentioned -- 16 pass, 18 sweep pass -- cease to be threats?  If they were threats, would they make your 16 & 18 runs so much better that your 1 back should be your best passer?

Also keep in mind that the 1 back needn't be an outstanding passer generally just to make those play action passes effective.  He just needs to make those work.  If you want to have a pocket passing game as well, then a player at any position (that can reasonably get the ball) could be your primary passer.

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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2017, 06:43:44 PM »
can he throw an 11 yard soft toss down field?

we call that 'skinny' and run it off the OT Power/Power Sweep action.  even bad throwers can throw this pass(though of course, your % of success is better with a good thrower).  and if you practice it, anyone should be able to throw it.  it's the easiest pass in football.  basically faking power, pulling up, and putting some air under the ball and throwing it straight downfield, usually to the WB.  if your back is a beast, the D will be biting hard, it should be an easy throw.  we only put one man in the pattern, but practice the 'fake'(which is just making it look like power/power sweep for three steps) very religiously.

the key is the read.  if the WB is open, throw it, if not, your passer just runs and gets what he can.

another option is, can your FB throw?  we used what we called 'Zip' which was just the FB and HB changing places(got that from Ken Keuffel's book which i HIGHLY recommend).  this means it's the same center pass for your C, and honestly, particularly at the youth level, your opposition is unlikely to ever notice.

finally, you can also just sub a boy in like you said.  in our league few people scout effectively(your league may be different).   this would be my last choice, but perhaps it will work fine.

finally, why do you think your HB is a bad passer?  is it something mechanically wrong?  perhaps you can help him.  is he gripping the ball properly?  stepping into the throw?  looking where he is throwing?

as far as teaching throwing mechanics, there are a lot better folks to go to than me.  many of them are right on this sight.

 
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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2017, 07:49:13 PM »
As Coach Parone points out there is "Throwing" and there is Play Action.  I am not a SW Coach yet, I will tell you my DW/Spread QB did not possess a Cannon Arm either.  Intermediate and Short was were he excelled.   What did that mean yardage wise?  15 yards an under.   Its up to YOU! to design the passing plays he CAN accomplish!   Our best passing plays were 5 to 7 yards off PA. 

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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2017, 08:17:31 AM »
Thanks, Gentlemen!

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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2017, 11:29:14 AM »
What I have discovered over the years is there is always a couple of routes you can teach any kid to throw. With enough reps you should be able to get your Ace back throwing the football if you find the routes he can complete.

More than that....find that kid whereas if he can touch the football....he will catch it. Theses types are more common.  Its a receiver that will save the day for you in this situation....not the QB.
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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2017, 12:19:23 PM »
It seems easier to me to coach the kid up on some proper technique then changing or modifying the offense. Usually some simple technique work fixes the issue. If the kid is a good athlete but can't throw a football it is probably because he is throwing it like a baseball. Fix his throwing motion, hips and feet and he will be fine. If you change out a back to throw all your passes it becomes a tell very quickly. You don't have to coach up the kid to be a 7 step pocket passer, just proficient enough to run 2 plays which in youth tend to be wide open. Take some time in the off season to coach him up then have him practice with his dad or a buddy for half an hour a day. The improvements are easily measured when somebody is really bad at something. With a little coaching really big strides can be made, especially if the kid is a good athlete already.

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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2017, 02:37:41 PM »
We had a similar issue this season.  We were unable to draft/recruit a passing quarterback so we thought we would train our tall WB to be a QB since his brother was a HS QB.  We had minimal success with quick short route passes for 4 games.  Completion rate was below 30%.  Our main RB was a better thrower so we would run Sweep Option Passes and that worked  for a few games.  After our QB got hurt in a game, we went to a Beast Fat (2Rbs and 2 Blocking back to one side) formation with two wildcat backs and had our main back throw just in emergency situations.  This worked out great.  When our QB came back from injury he moved back to WB and we had much more success throwing to him because he had great hands and a big target. 

I should have known earlier in the season I was forcing an the QB issue and just made the switch earlier, but because I did not want to just run Beast and a Double Wing I kept forcing a QB centric offense because we were coaching 12Us.  We wound up beating the #1 seed for the Super Bowl who ran the Pistol but it was a very close game.  The main reason we won was a short pass on 4th down to the ex QB.  Kinda all worked out.

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Re: Best Back Can't Throw
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2017, 02:29:55 PM »
I appreciate the feedback, Gentlemen!