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Offline BigHatJack

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Series based play calling
« on: May 16, 2017, 11:10:04 AM »
How do you all approach implementing different series during a game? Do you stick to a SW series of plays for an entire drive or jump around and call any play from any formation and any series at any time?

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Re: Series based play calling
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2017, 12:29:36 PM »
Run your core plays and change formation to see how D adjusts. One series can do everything you need.
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Re: Series based play calling
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2017, 12:31:15 PM »
For us, if we thought changing to a totally different formation could gain an advantage during a series we would do it. We ran super hurry up so it often did. The issue with that is we had a bunch of personnel groupings that were formation based. Our spread guys were usually a different set of players from our sw guys. But dw and sw were almost always the same group. Sometimes we would change system because after using a few different tags or plays it was decided a different formation would better work for the defense we were facing. If we couldn't block a teams backers we got out of dw and went spread to formation those guys out for example.

For doing it throughout a game it was about getting kids plays to a large extent. Our best 11 started defense no matter what. We would do some subbing on defense but very little. We could put guys in position to succeed easier on offense and some offenses are better for that than others. We never "hid" mpr types at wr so we had to be a little more creative and actually coach up those guys. Again, we ran the different formations with personnel groupings. Never did we have an offense on the field that was solely consisting of mpr types. We had a few in each offensive set except the best 11 set for when we really needed to win a game. And honestly, that group probably wasn't as good as the other starter groups simply because they didn't get the same amount of reps. But some games we would primarily stay sw or dw. We could still work everybody in (the beauty of wrist bands and similar blocking schemes) to get their plays it just might take a little longer. If we found something that worked we stuck with it though. No reason to get out of sw if they can't stop it.

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Re: Series based play calling
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2017, 12:41:25 PM »
Run your core plays and change formation to see how D adjusts. One series can do everything you need.
It can if you have the right tags installed and you execute flawlessly or at least very well. Then it becomes all about execution. I just like having more up my sleeve. I remember the first two years we were at nationals NOBODY else ran super hurry up. Back then a bunch of stuff we did was contrarian and everybody said it couldn't be done. Now half the teams at nationals run hurry up. Much of what we did people here still say is a bad idea. Well, ok, it won us two NCs and almost two on top of that so what we did can't be that wrong. I'm not saying running more is better or worse. I'm just saying that the nay sayers simply say nay because they haven't seen it done well, don't know how to do it themselves or have had success with doing it another way and don't have a reason to change. If you look at Clark's offense you will see it is designed to actually run dozens of plays and a bunch of series. Cisar is the same to some extent. It can be done, it just needs to be well thought out, SUPER organized and your practice has to be extremely effective.

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Re: Series based play calling
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2017, 02:08:32 PM »
It can if you have the right tags installed and you execute flawlessly or at least very well. Then it becomes all about execution. I just like having more up my sleeve. I remember the first two years we were at nationals NOBODY else ran super hurry up. Back then a bunch of stuff we did was contrarian and everybody said it couldn't be done. Now half the teams at nationals run hurry up. Much of what we did people here still say is a bad idea. Well, ok, it won us two NCs and almost two on top of that so what we did can't be that wrong. I'm not saying running more is better or worse. I'm just saying that the nay sayers simply say nay because they haven't seen it done well, don't know how to do it themselves or have had success with doing it another way and don't have a reason to change. If you look at Clark's offense you will see it is designed to actually run dozens of plays and a bunch of series. Cisar is the same to some extent. It can be done, it just needs to be well thought out, SUPER organized and your practice has to be extremely effective.

I think it was how the question was phrased, that made me respond like I did. I will run smash, blast, and dive series with the same blocking scheme. The pitch in the dive series and P/A passes are blocked different. Everything is situational. I may see trap play open up for me, but if I am leading, I may hold off from using it. It's hard to really know until you are in the game. If I am leading big or getting trounced, I may work on more of my offense  in the game.
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Re: Series based play calling
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 02:40:56 PM »
I think it was how the question was phrased, that made me respond like I did. I will run smash, blast, and dive series with the same blocking scheme. The pitch in the dive series and P/A passes are blocked different. Everything is situational. I may see trap play open up for me, but if I am leading, I may hold off from using it. It's hard to really know until you are in the game. If I am leading big or getting trounced, I may work on more of my offense  in the game.
And I'm not saying that your answer was wrong. Just different. I think you can over due complexity and simplicity. Many youth coaches that subscribe to the run 5 plays theory and stress execution don't have answers to problems the defense creates. Like Joe always says "You always have to have an answer. It doesn't have to be the right answer but you have to have an answer." So if you subscribe to the simplicity through execution philosophy you still need answers. Just try it again or run one of our other 3 plays isn't going to always cut it. People will now insert DLS when they read that statement. Well, DLS does have answers and they run an option offense. Option is a whole other monster and NO youth coach will ever be in a situation to even approach the level of execution of DLS so nobody go there. It just is not a fair comparison. Don't compare maybe the best hs program in the history of football to any youth squad.

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Re: Series based play calling
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 03:49:56 PM »
I was wondering if anyone does something like this:

Series 1: Stick to the base power series.
Series 2: Run only plays from the spin series.
Series 3: Run only plays from the spread series.

Before the offense takes the field, telling the team we are running spin down the field until they are dizzy. Then running hurry-up, but the offense knows it's all spin until otherwise changed. The series listed above are just examples and would be based on information gained from the previous drives.

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Re: Series based play calling
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 03:50:07 PM »
we only had a few plays(6 i think)

but we had very simple formational variants(nasty split, end over, and backfield variants) that were only adjustments for one or two players, but gave us different looks/advantages/ways to block those plays-in case the defense was able to stop us.

this was an attempt to keep it simple for almost everyone, but still have something to counter failure on game day.
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Re: Series based play calling
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 04:41:29 PM »
I was wondering if anyone does something like this:

Series 1: Stick to the base power series.
Series 2: Run only plays from the spin series.
Series 3: Run only plays from the spread series.

Before the offense takes the field, telling the team we are running spin down the field until they are dizzy. Then running hurry-up, but the offense knows it's all spin until otherwise changed. The series listed above are just examples and would be based on information gained from the previous drives.
Series work when you stick to them. You can mix in a few series together but you need to establish the base plays first. So we would almost always start off in a base seies. Whatever our b&b was. Then we could introduce say the spinner base plays. Then we would run plays from both series. I would think most coaches probably stick to a series each series. I think to open the game, the first couple of drives you can do what you say but then you can start mixing it up some. Or not.

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Re: Series based play calling
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 07:15:43 PM »
Series work when you stick to them. You can mix in a few series together but you need to establish the base plays first. So we would almost always start off in a base seies. Whatever our b&b was. Then we could introduce say the spinner base plays. Then we would run plays from both series. I would think most coaches probably stick to a series each series. I think to open the game, the first couple of drives you can do what you say but then you can start mixing it up some. Or not.
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