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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #105 on: April 22, 2016, 02:50:11 PM »
We run Burst Series- but we took the formation out of our materials 3-5 years ago, they must have a really old book
No one I know uses it

Thats why tech, fundys like chaser drills, coaching points are more important than playbooks IMO

Their entire Org runs your systems....since they joined our League...maybe 2009?
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #106 on: April 23, 2016, 08:11:31 AM »
Dave

You should see that team in Black now. Wowzers ! We have not played them since that 3rd grade season but I have watched them play.

Very smooth. They dont run Burst anymore although its a popular series for the Super Smurfs around here.

Its a real downer to see them run the base play so poorly- IMO you have to get that one right before you move on to step 2
Every clinic Ive ever done and in the book we talk about running right at the hole and chaser drills etc= how to implement the play
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #107 on: April 23, 2016, 04:15:15 PM »
Its a real downer to see them run the base play so poorly- IMO you have to get that one right before you move on to step 2
Every clinic Ive ever done and in the book we talk about running right at the hole and chaser drills etc= how to implement the play

That film was two rookie Smufie Smurf teams playing I think game 2....maybe 3.

We both got better.  :)

They do VERY well now a day. Matter of fact their entire Org does thanks too you.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2016, 03:35:29 PM »
Looking for advise on an offensive playbook. I am starting fresh with K1 for the upcoming season. I am interested in running the beast formation due to the fact of more blockers at the point of attack. Are there playbooks online that have maybe 5-6 plays I can run out of Beast?

Also looking for feedback on defense. Last years K1 team ran what appeared as a 9-2.

I coached 4th - 6th grader before and ran Spread with read options with 5-3 or 4-4 defense. I already know that is not going to work in K1, needs to be simple and easy to understand for these kidos.

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #109 on: May 09, 2016, 03:49:26 PM »
Have you thought about using crunch and going under center for that age group?  I would be nervous using a direct snap that young.

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #110 on: May 09, 2016, 03:56:51 PM »
Have you thought about using crunch and going under center for that age group?  I would be nervous using a direct snap that young.

I am guessing Crunch is just Beast but under center? Is this effective is properly taught?

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #111 on: May 09, 2016, 04:02:18 PM »
Yeah it is. Changes the down hill approach of the beast back of course but from the guys on here I've talked to it is effective. Ive only used beast and I love it but it is completely reliant on a good snap so the beast back can get his butt out of the backfield.

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #112 on: May 10, 2016, 11:21:18 AM »
Looking for advise on an offensive playbook. I am starting fresh with K1 for the upcoming season. I am interested in running the beast formation due to the fact of more blockers at the point of attack. Are there playbooks online that have maybe 5-6 plays I can run out of Beast?

Also looking for feedback on defense. Last years K1 team ran what appeared as a 9-2.

I coached 4th - 6th grader before and ran Spread with read options with 5-3 or 4-4 defense. I already know that is not going to work in K1, needs to be simple and easy to understand for these kidos.

Thanks in advance for the help.

I have some Beast diagrams I can scan and pass on to you. PM me with your e-mail and I'll send those over to you with my contact info.

In our league, the defense is required to be  a 4-5-2 at the entry level... no one over the center and LBs and CBs atleast 4 yds off the line. No sure if there are similar restrictions on other areas.

Let me know if I can help...

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #113 on: May 10, 2016, 03:56:51 PM »
Looking for advise on an offensive playbook. I am starting fresh with K1 for the upcoming season. I am interested in running the beast formation due to the fact of more blockers at the point of attack. Are there playbooks online that have maybe 5-6 plays I can run out of Beast?

Also looking for feedback on defense. Last years K1 team ran what appeared as a 9-2.

I coached 4th - 6th grader before and ran Spread with read options with 5-3 or 4-4 defense. I already know that is not going to work in K1, needs to be simple and easy to understand for these kidos.

Thanks in advance for the help.

You may want to check this out as well:

http://coaches-clinic.com/recorded-clinics/football/offense/single-wing/the-beast-package/
On-line Youth Football Coaching Clinics
http://www.coaches-clinic.com/

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #114 on: May 11, 2016, 05:26:58 PM »
I am considering adding the beast to the playbook but am wondering

What are some pass play you guys run out of the beast?

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #115 on: May 11, 2016, 10:59:47 PM »
I just used both TEs and the WB in different (simple) routes mostly with the inside sniffer blocking to weak side and the middle sniffer blocking to strong side to pick up edge rushers.

 Floods to the strong side worked really well.  Quick pass in the flat to the weak TE was good when they would start sending everyone off that edge, pop pass was good also when the lbs/safeties were flowing like crazy to stop the blast or power play. 

Had a reverse pass with the wb throwing to the strong TE on a drag. Sweep pass works well also with middle sniffer going to the flats, TE on a go, and WB on a corner. 

Would shift the power tackle, TE, and WB out about ten yards in a tight bunch and throw alot of screens out there.

Sure there is a lot more you can do with the middle schoolers  ;D

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #116 on: May 12, 2016, 09:53:28 AM »
I just used both TEs and the WB in different (simple) routes mostly with the inside sniffer blocking to weak side and the middle sniffer blocking to strong side to pick up edge rushers.

 Floods to the strong side worked really well.  Quick pass in the flat to the weak TE was good when they would start sending everyone off that edge, pop pass was good also when the lbs/safeties were flowing like crazy to stop the blast or power play. 

Had a reverse pass with the wb throwing to the strong TE on a drag. Sweep pass works well also with middle sniffer going to the flats, TE on a go, and WB on a corner. 

Would shift the power tackle, TE, and WB out about ten yards in a tight bunch and throw alot of screens out there.

Sure there is a lot more you can do with the middle schoolers  ;D

Well sadly "state regulations" dont allow us to shift out.  Only allowed 2 people outside the tackle box on a side and no 2 wide receiver looks.

I think we are going to do many roll outs.  My qb is such a strong runner but he need to proves how good of a passer he is with varsity doing a lot of roll outs

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #117 on: May 12, 2016, 11:19:33 AM »
Well sadly "state regulations" dont allow us to shift out.  Only allowed 2 people outside the tackle box on a side and no 2 wide receiver looks.

I think we are going to do many roll outs.  My qb is such a strong runner but he need to proves how good of a passer he is with varsity doing a lot of roll outs

What I have learned about running Beast is the passing game must be RIGHT NOW stuff.

We keep it simple and QUICK. If the box is loaded normal then we throw to the perimiter. WE never release more than two into route. If the abby normal is happening....which happens like they are overloading the short side irresponsibly then we hit the SEAM.

Thats it.

This Spring we are running 5 plays total. Blast, pass left the TE...pass right to TE...or the Seam to either TE but its all QUICK stuff.

I cant imagine ever rolling out in Beast unless you are playing the ass crappiest D in your league. But then again I have never tried it...intentionally.

A QUICK out....you can see the other TE simply mirrors the call. In this situation he is a SE but that is not the norm.

https://youtu.be/gpTdr2ifuNQ
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #118 on: May 12, 2016, 12:40:01 PM »
What I have learned about running Beast is the passing game must be RIGHT NOW stuff.

We keep it simple and QUICK. If the box is loaded normal then we throw to the perimiter. WE never release more than two into route. If the abby normal is happening....which happens like they are overloading the short side irresponsibly then we hit the SEAM.

Thats it.

This Spring we are running 5 plays total. Blast, pass left the TE...pass right to TE...or the Seam to either TE but its all QUICK stuff.

I cant imagine ever rolling out in Beast unless you are playing the ass crappiest D in your league. But then again I have never tried it...intentionally.

A QUICK out....you can see the other TE simply mirrors the call. In this situation he is a SE but that is not the norm.

https://youtu.be/gpTdr2ifuNQ

every team we face is going to be a 6-2-3 and from what I saw every teams ends crash down really hard, Im thinking my qbs speed can outpace the backside de on a roll out.  While the frontside gets help from people in the backfield.

Im just throwing out ideas here seeing what your guys opinions on the matter is.  Beast is our secondary formation so It really is just to change up the pace some

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #119 on: May 12, 2016, 12:53:11 PM »
Well sadly "state regulations" dont allow us to shift out.  Only allowed 2 people outside the tackle box on a side and no 2 wide receiver looks.

I think we are going to do many roll outs.  My qb is such a strong runner but he need to proves how good of a passer he is with varsity doing a lot of roll outs
Ummmm, what state doesn't allow that? None of the 50 this country.