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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #150 on: August 30, 2016, 11:25:29 PM »
Ok so you are going to ditch rule blocking and teach BOB rule blocking- that takes 5 minutes?
Do your ever have an MPR wing you can run in on a few plays away from him? Is he blocking a Linebacker on the blast play? Not on paper but in real life?

Again where exactly do the additional MPR kids go in on this compared to off tackle strong play?

You can add additional plays in that actually stress the defense in a different way- why couldnt those "be their own"?

On 16 the back runs directly at the hole, same for 14, same for 22, same for 32
We dont have our backs bow out

In the last 10 seasons every single one of my players who were not striped carried the ball on 16 power- a testament to how easy it is to carry the ball on that play- dont have to read a thing

I think the only "gain" would be no LG pulling required....so a bit easier for a pure MP Offense...if there is such a thing.

I can get away with playing a kid at STE, SG and LG that are "MP's". But that is it.

Also the traditional Beast blocking is simple Wall Blocking where the long side walls inside... the outside sniffer kids out...middle sniffer runs ISO off the LTE's butt. Inside sniffer blocks short side edge rusher.

So...easy to teach. Easiest I have found.

More complex with the mega splits though. Speaking strictly tight splits here.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #151 on: August 31, 2016, 07:47:47 AM »
I think the only "gain" would be no LG pulling required....so a bit easier for a pure MP Offense...if there is such a thing.

I can get away with playing a kid at STE, SG and LG that are "MP's". But that is it.

Also the traditional Beast blocking is simple Wall Blocking where the long side walls inside... the outside sniffer kids out...middle sniffer runs ISO off the LTE's butt. Inside sniffer blocks short side edge rusher.

So...easy to teach. Easiest I have found.

More complex with the mega splits though. Speaking strictly tight splits here.


I dont think anyone would be putting 11 kids in as MPRs on one offense. Most teams have between 3-6 legit MPRs if they dont send them down- re enter draft etc
So Im guessing the the pulling guard stays from the 1st team Offense.

When you use one of the backs to block the short side rusher- you bring one less blocker to the POA than when you run power out of SW
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #152 on: August 31, 2016, 10:48:54 AM »
I dont think anyone would be putting 11 kids in as MPRs on one offense. Most teams have between 3-6 legit MPRs if they dont send them down- re enter draft etc
So Im guessing the the pulling guard stays from the 1st team Offense.

When you use one of the backs to block the short side rusher- you bring one less blocker to the POA than when you run power out of SW

If a team has 11 MP's then I would not worry about what to do on O....I would have no answers on D!

Using the inside sniffer to block backside allows for more POA's. Depending on the Defense now you have a built in short side play without having to run a counter.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #153 on: August 31, 2016, 10:55:45 AM »
If a team has 11 MP's then I would not worry about what to do on O....I would have no answers on D!

Using the inside sniffer to block backside allows for more POA's. Depending on the Defense now you have a built in short side play without having to run a counter.

On your base play the strongside blast which is what most guys run 95% of the time- that short side blocker takes one body away from the POA- one less than the base SW power
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #154 on: August 31, 2016, 07:33:31 PM »
On your base play the strongside blast which is what most guys run 95% of the time- that short side blocker takes one body away from the POA- one less than the base SW power

Strong side also means running at the LG.

Plus its the unity of apparent intent like spinner. Inside sniffer is now in position for counter and arrow pass to him with zero tells.

You dont get that running traditional because the BB....for example.....has to now change direction showing intent.

Plus...we are running a new formation now. The SSE is now a SE....not to far out...about 5 yards. He is also a great receiver so it pulls one and half defenders his way so no need for an extra blocker play side since we under load the over load by formation now.

So now our short side OL is one player...the SG.

So far its been an improvement.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #155 on: August 31, 2016, 08:37:05 PM »
Again the play most beast guys run 95 percent of the time is blast
With 1 less blocker at the poa it is inferior to the sw power play

As to an improvement
Until you consistently prove it in grass in real life over several seasons it's not an improvem
We have a de lb dt and CB to that side

You can't put a legit mpr at lg and then say you are running at him
« Last Edit: August 31, 2016, 08:54:47 PM by davecisar »
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #156 on: August 31, 2016, 09:18:42 PM »
Again the play most beast guys run 95 percent of the time is blast
With 1 less blocker at the poa it is inferior to the sw power play

As to an improvement
Until you consistently prove it in grass in real life over several seasons it's not an improvem
We have a de lb dt and CB to that side

We are in season 2 now with our alignment improvement. We are good since teams know we like to pass the football. MONUMENTAL difference in what that does to a DC.

You should experiment with a short side SE only adjustment with your base and chuck the football around a little bit when a game is in hand. I think you'd be surprised at what that does to your count especially if you start slipping your BB out of the backfield to the short side  with that SE clearing. Its like stealing.

Its a real live on grass kinda thing with no rolling out required.

When i ran the UBSW my BB was my second most productive receiver every year.  Impossible to cover. Easy throw and catch.

Its the biggest oversight in your playbooks. The BB is never used as a receiving threat from his sniffer position. Why is that?






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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #157 on: September 01, 2016, 12:38:51 AM »
We are in season 2 now with our alignment improvement. We are good since teams know we like to pass the football. MONUMENTAL difference in what that does to a DC.

You should experiment with a short side SE only adjustment with your base and chuck the football around a little bit when a game is in hand. I think you'd be surprised at what that does to your count especially if you start slipping your BB out of the backfield to the short side  with that SE clearing. Its like stealing.

Its a real live on grass kinda thing with no rolling out required.

When i ran the UBSW my BB was my second most productive receiver every year.  Impossible to cover. Easy throw and catch.





Its the biggest oversight in your playbooks. The BB is never used as a receiving threat from his sniffer position. Why is that?

That is false. The BB is sneaking out on 18 sweep pass and we throw to him often underneath when the corner goes deep with the WB.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #158 on: September 01, 2016, 07:41:03 AM »


Its the biggest oversight in your playbooks. The BB is never used as a receiving threat from his sniffer position. Why is that?

Once again- you dont know my playbook as well as I do- we have at least 2 plays we throw to him  ;D

We had the short side SE call in our materials since way back in 2010  ::)

Just because your local guys stick with the base 6-8 plays- doesnt mean everyone else does  ;D
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #159 on: September 01, 2016, 08:55:56 AM »


Its the biggest oversight in your playbooks. The BB is never used as a receiving threat from his sniffer position. Why is that?

Wow- coming from a guy who promotes the beast- a 1 play offense that might morph into 4 plays- that's a bit much  ::) ::)
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #160 on: September 01, 2016, 09:34:46 AM »
Wow- coming from a guy who promotes the beast- a 1 play offense that might morph into 4 plays- that's a bit much  ::) ::)

Oh I think we have 6 plays.....but do you really need them?
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #161 on: September 01, 2016, 09:37:52 AM »
Once again- you dont know my playbook as well as I do- we have at least 2 plays we throw to him  ;D

We had the short side SE call in our materials since way back in 2010  ::)

Just because your local guys stick with the base 6-8 plays- doesnt mean everyone else does  ;D

That was the complaint from Jr running your system in Baraboo.

If it wasn't in the playbook....the Org wouldn't run it ? He found it odd there was not one BB pass to the short side. A deadly play.

Im sure do do many things on your own....but is it in the materials was my question.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #162 on: September 01, 2016, 09:43:20 AM »
That was the complaint from Jr running your system in Baraboo.

If it wasn't in the playbook....the Org wouldn't run it ? He found it odd there was not one BB pass to the short side. A deadly play.

Im sure do do many things on your own....but is it in the materials was my question.

Everything we do is in the materials you just havent bought them- so you wouldnt know and yes we do have a short side pass play to the weakside flat to the 2 back-- the DB is run off by the LE-
 Great for the teams that key the 3 back - they dont pick him up

As to Barbaroo- they had great success- the guys that ran it- they arent complaining I promise you  ;D
Complete turnaround
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #163 on: September 01, 2016, 09:45:22 AM »
That is false. The BB is sneaking out on 18 sweep pass and we throw to him often underneath when the corner goes deep with the WB.

Short side? We are discussing the advantage  / disadvantage of the sniffer back blocking short side and what that intent can morph into.

Long side on 18 sweep is logical and a good play. 

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #164 on: September 01, 2016, 09:47:35 AM »
The BB is never used as a receiving threat from his sniffer position. Why is that?

You said this
That isnt true
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