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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2015, 11:09:58 PM »
Michael has some cut ups of the smallest dude on his team riding his man across the field with great technique longer than 3 seconds how he teaches that i have no idea but on many of the clips i seen of his guys you would be shocked on how they get it done . How that had a hard time putting it all together i have no idea but hopefully Michael will be willing to share.

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He should do another Clinic.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2015, 11:28:24 PM »
Since this Thread is a Sticky....maybe the Coaches that run Beast can post up some film or playbooks here. I get a lot of PM requests for Beast info but its kinda scattered all over the Forum. I really dont even have a playbook worth sharing.

Some more film from the past.

https://youtu.be/h6_gh3_XgJs
( Beast clips mixed in )

https://youtu.be/WKATeR-ZnTI

https://youtu.be/imTDSRKCOEA

https://youtu.be/8XIFxbttv0Y

https://youtu.be/t9xxMCiSQ5o

https://youtu.be/aMOOtM8kKd4
( my favorite of all time )



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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2015, 12:30:08 PM »
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He should do another Clinic.

Wheres the original clinic?
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2015, 12:51:09 PM »
My basic thing is that "blocking to the whistle" is redundant.

It's only a block if it's done to the whistle.

If it's not done to the whistle it's not a block.

The two things in football that annoy me most are not touching lines on change-of-direction work and not running through the line on sprints.  I go insane.  You can ask anyone one on here who's talked to me on the phone about that stuff and they can tell you how I get about it.  I just lose it.  If you had players doing power cleans and they got it up to their waist and dropped it, you wouldn't count it as a power clean.  If a runner had 80 yards of clear field and started walking after 20 yards you'd kick his ass.  If a guy running jet sweep stopped when he got to the mesh and just stood there you'd replace him immediately.  If a receiver ran a route and then made no attempt to catch the ball you'd find another receiver.  None of those would lead you to say, "His technique is pretty good.  We just need to get him to finish."  Blocking is no different.  If you weren't on him at the whistle, it's a zero.

I generally only make technique comments and coach technique after reps in which the O-Lineman was on the defender at the whistle.

If the O-Lineman was not on the defender at the whistle in a drill, my only comment is generally something like "Really?  Are you kidding me?"  If the effort was bad enough, I'll kick them out of the drill.

In my grading system for film, if you're not on the defender at the whistle, you get a zero.  If you pancake him and you're not on him when the whistle blows, it's a zero.

I spend a lot of time in team going up to players after the whistle and saying, "Why are you standing here by yourself?  Where's your man?"

Another typical comment is "Hey, nice tackle by Tommy's guy!  Tommy, why are you over here instead of over there where your guy is?"  That's on stuff downfield rather than in the backfield or at the LOS.  Tackles in the backfield and at the LOS are usually caused by a missed block without a lot of time to recover.  In those cases, we'll work on  footwork and head position and that sort of thing.  For the stuff downfield it's a whole different deal.  If your man makes a tackle 40 yards downfield, you're going to hear about it.

I don't care where the ball is.  I always tell our guys before games that "If the play gains 80 yards and you are not on your guy at the whistle, you did a bad job.  If the play loses eight yards and you are on your guy at the whistle, you did a good job."  And I coach that way in games.  Guys on guys at the whistle on plays that lose yards get called out when I see them, and guys that lose guys before the whistle on plays that gain lots of yards get called out when I see them.  And I tend to see them because I'm definitely looking for them.

People can take that "the block was good enough for the play to work" stuff and go f___ themselves.

Sorry.  I have to go.  I'm getting too annoyed to keep typing.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2015, 01:00:03 PM »
This is the greatest post ever!!!!!



My basic thing is that "blocking to the whistle" is redundant.

It's only a block if it's done to the whistle.

If it's not done to the whistle it's not a block.

The two things in football that annoy me most are not touching lines on change-of-direction work and not running through the line on sprints.  I go insane.  You can ask anyone one on here who's talked to me on the phone about that stuff and they can tell you how I get about it.  I just lose it.  If you had players doing power cleans and they got it up to their waist and dropped it, you wouldn't count it as a power clean.  If a runner had 80 yards of clear field and started walking after 20 yards you'd kick his ass.  If a guy running jet sweep stopped when he got to the mesh and just stood there you'd replace him immediately.  If a receiver ran a route and then made no attempt to catch the ball you'd find another receiver.  None of those would lead you to say, "His technique is pretty good.  We just need to get him to finish."  Blocking is no different.  If you weren't on him at the whistle, it's a zero.

I generally only make technique comments and coach technique after reps in which the O-Lineman was on the defender at the whistle.

If the O-Lineman was not on the defender at the whistle in a drill, my only comment is generally something like "Really?  Are you kidding me?"  If the effort was bad enough, I'll kick them out of the drill.

In my grading system for film, if you're not on the defender at the whistle, you get a zero.  If you pancake him and you're not on him when the whistle blows, it's a zero.

I spend a lot of time in team going up to players after the whistle and saying, "Why are you standing here by yourself?  Where's your man?"

Another typical comment is "Hey, nice tackle by Tommy's guy!  Tommy, why are you over here instead of over there where your guy is?"  That's on stuff downfield rather than in the backfield or at the LOS.  Tackles in the backfield and at the LOS are usually caused by a missed block without a lot of time to recover.  In those cases, we'll work on  footwork and head position and that sort of thing.  For the stuff downfield it's a whole different deal.  If your man makes a tackle 40 yards downfield, you're going to hear about it.

I don't care where the ball is.  I always tell our guys before games that "If the play gains 80 yards and you are not on your guy at the whistle, you did a bad job.  If the play loses eight yards and you are on your guy at the whistle, you did a good job."  And I coach that way in games.  Guys on guys at the whistle on plays that lose yards get called out when I see them, and guys that lose guys before the whistle on plays that gain lots of yards get called out when I see them.  And I tend to see them because I'm definitely looking for them.

People can take that "the block was good enough for the play to work" stuff and go f___ themselves.

Sorry.  I have to go.  I'm getting too annoyed to keep typing.

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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2015, 01:02:58 PM »
I seriously think that may be his longest post ever.


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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2015, 01:06:40 PM »
I have been on the other end of those phone calls! Michael's ideas need to be something most youth coaches do.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2015, 01:24:27 PM »
Attached are a couple of screenshots of a run of 34 yards or so that really annoyed me.

Runner got tackled at the 3, I think.

Nice shot of two of my guys taking the Jog of Shame.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2015, 01:26:00 PM »
I seriously think that may be his longest post ever.

...and every sentence irritated him.

He needs a Secretary that takes dictation. Only then will this Forum truly appreciate the full gambit of...Michael.  :)
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2015, 01:31:50 PM »
Attached are a couple of screenshots of a run of 34 yards or so that really annoyed me.

Runner got tackled at the 3, I think.

Nice shot of two of my guys taking the Jog of Shame.

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LOL...I've been telling them to stop when the ball busts out !

Like I mentioned earlier...we got dinged this season on some calls that happened WAY behind the play. I decided...the Stop and Walk of Shame would be the fix.

Stoopid rules but its all part of the Safety Movement I suppose.

Come to think of it...what.... 5 years now they have been calling un-necessary roughness away from the play?....we get dinged a lot.  :(
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2015, 01:34:16 PM »
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LOL...I've been telling them to stop when the ball busts out !

Like I mentioned earlier...we got dinged this season on some calls that happened WAY behind the play. I decided...the Stop and Walk of Shame would be the fix.

Stoopid rules but its all part of the Safety Movement I suppose.

Come to think of it...what.... 5 years now they have been calling un-necessary roughness away from the play?....we get dinged a lot.  :(

None of the O-Linemen and none of the guys they were blocking should even be in the picture.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2015, 01:49:18 PM »
I have been flagged multiple excessive blocking calls. I still dont know what that means. I agree with Micheal, if you are not on your block, you only did Part of your job. That is what we mean by finish. I also hate a stalemate without force. Meaning letting your man make a play while you are on him. When you don't put him on his butt when he puts himself out of balance. Which means you are only using enough force not be moved and stop because the defender did.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2015, 01:51:31 PM »
We rely on our backs to do most downfield blocking. If 1st & even 2nd level defenders are catching your RB downfield, you have a RB problem more than a lineman problem.

Blocking way downfield in todays game typically does more harm than good unfortuanately. Like Mike, once our backs break away, we're done, unless it's a back or WR blocking a 3 rd level defender.

In the picture below our player was ejected for this hit, on a block that was deemed unnecessary, even tho the defender was only like 4 yards behind. Was a clean hit, helmet in front, not H2H.

I'd MUCH rather have our guy tackled at the 3, than have the TD called back. Now if they want to run down field & run intereference (just shielding, no hitting), thats fine. But these huge blocks down field almost always get the play called back.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2015, 01:56:08 PM »
I have been flagged multiple excessive blocking calls. I still dont know what that means. I agree with Micheal, if you are not on your block, you only did Part of your job. That is what we mean by finish. I also hate a stalemate without force. Meaning letting your man make a play while you are on him. When you don't put him on his butt when he puts himself out of balance. Which means you are only using enough force not be moved and stop because the defender did.

It's not that simple. Lineman is blocking, not watching the ball. Defender is watching the ball. The defender always has the advantage of retreat to seperate from the block on a breakaway run. Now your lineman is trailing, has a terrible angle, & if he does reengage, will most likely result w/ an illegal block, or a percieved illegal block.

Keeping a defender stationary & in front of you on a breakaway run is a tad unrealistic imo.
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Re: The Beast....its not an Offense...its a mind F for the Defense....
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2015, 02:05:48 PM »
I have been flagged multiple excessive blocking calls. I still dont know what that means. I agree with Micheal, if you are not on your block, you only did Part of your job. That is what we mean by finish. I also hate a stalemate without force. Meaning letting your man make a play while you are on him. When you don't put him on his butt when he puts himself out of balance. Which means you are only using enough force not be moved and stop because the defender did.

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Here is what they are calling IMHO.

Example. Your ROT is blocking his man and continues to block his man to the whistle. RB breaks out and the ROT continues to block him man 10 yards behind the RB....un-necessarily.

White Hat is naturally trailing and sees this....flag. 

Watch the Back Judge on this play. He is on a mission to throw his flag...and does....after the RB has clearly broken out into space.

https://youtu.be/HV28dxL19kc

This is the ONLY issue I have with Michael's philosophy. If your man is on his man and the RB busts out...the Defender is going to turn and chase....so now your blocker is turning and chasing....here comes the block in the back.  Or if they continue to battle well behind the play...still a flag.

This is why I now tell em....3 seconds of pain and then watch! If the FB isn't past you in 3 seconds....not your fault. I also want them to save their energy so they can play DL.

Im really not sure what else can be done to avoid a really bad flag on a great run. Its a killer.
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