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Offline ZACH

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Re: Kick Deep or Not?
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2016, 10:31:37 AM »
What's deep?

I had a kicker 3 years ago that cold kick to the 10 yardline... you bet your ass we kicked deep that year.

I rather kicker short and high...on the regular.
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Re: Kick Deep or Not?
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2016, 11:28:20 AM »
We had the best kicker in the league.  Teams knew and lined up accordingly.  Only when we were up big did we kick deep.  There were times when we had the other team pinned back inside their 10 as a result.  However, when you are in a closer game, against a better team, that can result in a long run back.  As a DC, I would prefer to have my defense starting at mid-field than risk having us lining up for the extra point. 

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Re: Kick Deep or Not?
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2016, 04:26:43 PM »
To some extent it's the same analysis as kick off - how well have you coached coverage, and/or are you afraid of their best player in the open field?

The guys who coach the coverage well and/or have the athletes who can play in the open field aren't afraid of it.  I am.

We work a little bit on punting and covering, but we don't work on it a ton. Cost/benefit - how much do we use it vs. how much time does it cost us?  We've punted 2-3 times in the last two years. Now, do I run a risk that I'll end up needing it in a key spot?  Yup - a few years ago I watched my org's Jr. Pee Wee team lose a playoff game largely because they got pinned in their end and just couldn't get out - their HC didn't trust the punt. Played most of the first half inside their 20, other team finally punched it in late in the half.

I also watched my son's Jr. Midget team lose a playoff game by one score to a lesser team years ago because they punted and kicked off to the other team's stud - one TD return and one long return setting up the other TD.

And "pinning them to the sideline" sounds great...unless they have that ONE GUY and you don't...

The last time we kicked deep when it mattered, we aimed for an empty spot just past the numbers on our side of the field - we were going to "pin them".  6 points later...
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Re: Kick Deep or Not?
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2016, 08:31:26 AM »
We have Pooch Kicked for years! I like to reduce the field and develop the concept that if they don't defend our kick it's our ball! We practice kicking to the 30-35 yard line and dropping the ball 5 yards from the sideline. Every year we recover 5 to 10 KO's. Scoring and then recovering the KO certainly gives you game momentum. We also have expanded the kicking game. If we have a player that has a good leg, our kicking team looks to me and I indicate a pooch or a deeper kick depending on the alignment of the receiving team. 

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Re: Kick Deep or Not?
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2016, 08:50:03 AM »
We kicked deep(by accident with the backup kicker) one time and it got taken to the house. Never kicking deep again unless we are up by 3 TDs
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Re: Kick Deep or Not?
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2016, 09:38:19 AM »
We kicked deep(by accident with the backup kicker) one time and it got taken to the house. Never kicking deep again unless we are up by 3 TDs

We had our backup kicker in for a game this year when we were up by 3+ scores in the 4th quarter.  We tell him to kick it deep, but he had never kicked off before.  He ends up almost missing the ball, but it ends up being a perfect onside kick that went the 10 yards.  We recover right near our sideline.  The ref on our sideline is pissed at us because he thinks that we are running up the score.  Our kid hands him the ball, he chucks it behind him and awards the ball to the other team.

Afterwards, I tell him that he was getting upset at us for no reason.  We weren't running up the score.  We just had a kid playing a spot that he had never played before and he screwed up.   :D

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Re: Kick Deep or Not?
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2016, 10:41:52 AM »
We had our backup kicker in for a game this year when we were up by 3+ scores in the 4th quarter.  We tell him to kick it deep, but he had never kicked off before.  He ends up almost missing the ball, but it ends up being a perfect onside kick that went the 10 yards.  We recover right near our sideline.  The ref on our sideline is pissed at us because he thinks that we are running up the score.  Our kid hands him the ball, he chucks it behind him and awards the ball to the other team.

Afterwards, I tell him that he was getting upset at us for no reason.  We weren't running up the score.  We just had a kid playing a spot that he had never played before and he screwed up.   :D

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Re: Kick Deep or Not?
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2016, 10:48:34 AM »
What the hell rule is that?

The "I'm the ref and I can do what I want" rule.  I am sure that you have heard of it.  It is not well documented, but it is seen all the time. 

There have a few situations over the last couple of years where the refs have totally screwed up and as I brought it to their attention, their response was, "Coach, you are already up big.  Do you really want us to make it worse?".  My response is usually to just say that it would be good to just be consistent based on the rules, but whatever you guys want to do is fine with me. 

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Re: Kick Deep or Not?
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2016, 01:34:55 PM »
Heh - we were up big late in a game, and had an MPP kick off.  He did the same thing - we told him to kick it as far as he can, but he ended up just kicking a dribbler down the middle.  The other team fumbled it and we recovered.  It was our third kick off recovery of the game, the other two were on-sides kicks to the sideline (which is our normal kick).

Their sideline was going crazy about how we were rubbing it in, and after the game they were bitching and moaning, complained to our org President that we on-sides kicked up whatever late. We tried to explain, told them it was an MPP who had never kicked, that we don't kick on-sides down the middle anyway, and pointed out that we ran linemen up the middle on wedge and gave it back to them in 4 downs, but they just wanted to be butt-hurt and whine about it. Our Pres, who didn't know what happened, just shrugged and told them "that's what they do, that's all they ever practice, they never kick deep".

I believe that the mercy rule, at least in our Pop Warner conference, which goes into effect at a 28+ point differential, says you can't on-sides kick. Not sure it said that then, this was in 2010.

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