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Offline Bob Goodman

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Re: New onsides kick rule/results
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2014, 01:21:11 AM »
In years past, kicker at 4 1/2 -6 yards, others at 8-10 yards.
So the difference in their run is 3-5 yds.  If you went by the sprinter stats previously given, that should make a difference of only a small fraction of a sec. in the time to cover the next 10 yds.
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We also had more offsides issues with the kick this year in trying to make up for the shorter distance.
That's something I wouldn't've expected.  I'd've guessed less offsides because the players would have a shorter distance to go while trying to be onside.  In my division they kick onside a lot and take a shorter run-up than the rules allow (usu. just 2-3 steps), mostly to make sure they're onside, because we give it very little practice time out of the short total time we get.

If you want them to get up more speed, would you consider a curving path as suggested upthread?

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Re: New onsides kick rule/results
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2014, 12:53:34 PM »
So the difference in their run is 3-5 yds.  If you went by the sprinter stats previously given, that should make a difference of only a small fraction of a sec. in the time to cover the next 10 yds.

Football is all about fractions of seconds, so yes it made a difference, particularly in light of the fact that our team explosiveness was lesser than in years past.

That's something I wouldn't've expected.  I'd've guessed less offsides because the players would have a shorter distance to go while trying to be onside.  In my division they kick onside a lot and take a shorter run-up than the rules allow (usu. just 2-3 steps), mostly to make sure they're onside, because we give it very little practice time out of the short total time we get.

It was a function of there being less space to start between the kicker and the line.  last year there would be 3 1/2-6 yards between them thus more room for error in terms of timing.  So we ended up being even slower to be sure we weren't offsides.  As I mentioned, we could have improved it but I allocated the same amount of onsides practice time this year as in the past and it should have been more. 



If you want them to get up more speed, would you consider a curving path as suggested upthread?

That's something I will look into and consider for next year

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Re: New onsides kick rule/results
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2014, 07:16:21 PM »
It was a function of there being less space to start between the kicker and the line.  last year there would be 3 1/2-6 yards between them thus more room for error in terms of timing.  So we ended up being even slower to be sure we weren't offsides.
Couldn't they just start later?

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Re: New onsides kick rule/results
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2014, 07:31:30 AM »
Couldn't they just start later?

It's a catch 22 Bob.  If they start later then it takes them longer to get to the recovery point which is the original issue. 

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Re: New onsides kick rule/results
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2014, 12:21:45 AM »
It's a catch 22 Bob.  If they start later then it takes them longer to get to the recovery point which is the original issue.
But if they were getting offside, then the problem with at least some of them was that they were getting to points along the way too soon.  You can't have it both ways!

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Re: New onsides kick rule/results
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2014, 11:36:19 AM »
For the first time ever my team recovered ZERO onsides kicks.   We are usually pretty good at it.  Part of the reason, is we weren't as "athletic" as we have been in the past and not quite as aggressive.  I think the overwhelming factor though was the new 5 yards behind the kickoff point rule.

We typically, use the hard hop on second bounce style of kick and the kicker was pretty good at it.  It wasn't always "placed" perfectly, but he was damn good at getting that hard bounce. 

Have others seen their recovery % drop this season?  We are an 8th grade team.

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Re: New onsides kick rule/results
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2014, 06:15:58 PM »
But if they were getting offside, then the problem with at least some of them was that they were getting to points along the way too soon.  You can't have it both ways!

You like to to argue for arguments sake.  wrap the thread.

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Re: New onsides kick rule/results
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2014, 12:18:57 AM »
You like to to argue for arguments sake.  wrap the thread.
All I'm doing is looking at what you say is going wrong because of the new handicap, and it doesn't look like it would be fixed if your players were allowed to start farther back.  I think something else must have changed in how your players execute this (or how their opponents are reacting) and you're focusing on the wrong thing.  That happens a lot in football, thinking it's one thing when a closer look reveals it's something else, and/or assuming that because a player has learned how to do something, he keeps executing that way when you're not looking closely.