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Offline Bob Goodman

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2018, 01:21:36 PM »
I really haven't seen anyone discuss the new rules for FG/PAT protections. I understand the safety issues; however we never had an injury under the old rules.

My last season in MH we used the Navy Protection, which is both wings on the Kicker's foot side & slide protection away. We still stepped across, now it has to be behind.
What are these new rules?

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2018, 02:05:44 PM »
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The first rule change happened about 4 years ago. The OLine could no longer wrap their arms around another players legs. Then the rule changed to they had to step behind another lineman's legs instead of in front.

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2018, 02:52:28 PM »
Josh

If you count the players across, #1 nearest the sideline, #5 being the kicker & #11 nearest the far sideline.

1&6= Faster players who ran to the ball.

2,3,4, & 7 ran their lanes.

Either 5 or 8 played safety.

9 10 & 11 played contain

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How far are your contain players going downfield so that there arenít holes the runner could squirt through ? Are they angling toward the corner where itís kicked ?
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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2018, 03:23:25 PM »
Josh

This really depends on the kicker. They start running their lanes till they locate the ball then squeeze. If the kicker is very good & consistently puts the ball inside the 10 & on target they may squeeze earlier.

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2018, 03:56:31 PM »
BG

The first rule change happened about 4 years ago. The OLine could no longer wrap their arms around another players legs. Then the rule changed to they had to step behind another lineman's legs instead of in front.

Joe

Awesome. We still step in front. Go figure?  :-\
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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2018, 04:04:25 PM »
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Originally we stepped in front & locked our arms around the inside man's thigh. When the locking rules came about(also not allowing the Oline to line up with intertwined legs), we changed to stepping behind. Then that changed.

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2018, 01:40:59 PM »
The first rule change happened about 4 years ago. The OLine could no longer wrap their arms around another players legs.
Huh?  Interlocked interference has been illegal for a century!  And why would you want a wrap your arms around a blocking teammate's legs, anyway?  Or do you mean an opponent's legs?  I could see wanting to do that, but that's illegal too; you can contact the opponent's legs, but only in front.
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Then the rule changed to they had to step behind another lineman's legs instead of in front.
You sure that's even a rule?

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2018, 01:50:04 PM »
Originally we stepped in front & locked our arms around the inside man's thigh. When the locking rules came about(also not allowing the Oline to line up with intertwined legs), we changed to stepping behind. Then that changed.
Then you must mean the formation rules, not action after the snap.  I don't know what refinement was added, but it would've been very difficult to line up with an arm inside a teammate's near foot and still get your head at least level with the snapper's waist, unless you were next to the snapper or a player in a 2-point stance.

But you can still step any direction you want when the ball's in play.

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2018, 08:57:11 AM »
As stated several times before, you need to practice the aspects of the special teams game that you may need to use that season.  I do believe that it changes with age and experience of the players.  It also depends on your rules.  For us (2 points for XP kick, 1 point for scrimmage play):
- 4th grade - focus on onside kicks (both execution and recovery).  Spend at least 10% of your time on it.
- 5th grade - onside kicks and maybe an XP kick if you have the parts (snapper, holder, kicker).  Many teams don't have it, but you have to look for each of them starting now.
- 6th grade - onside kicks, deep kicks and XP kicks
- 7th grade & up - onside kicks, deep kicks, XP kicks, punts

For us, we had one of the better XP kicking games in the league (75-80%).  We won at least 3 games in 7th & 8th grade because of our XP kicking game and we did not punt until 7th grade. 
- 7th grade OT game against playoff rival, won because we kicked the OT XP and they did not
- 7th grade league championship - won because we made our 3 XP kicks and they made 1 of 3.
- 8th grade (14u) - Regional semis - won in 2 OT because we made our kick and we blocked theirs.

I also have no doubt in my mind that teams did things that they did not feel comfortable with because they knew that they had to keep pace with us.  We were often up 8-0 and the other team knew that they had to either kick when they weren't good at it or they had to be able to score twice. 

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2018, 10:02:11 AM »
Regardless of if you kick deep, pooch or onside. It needs to be practiced.  Unless, as Joe indicates, I have a kid who can Pin the ball deep to one side or the other, I tend to go second level to the sidelines and get after it.  I have seen far too many youth games where teams get beat by poor discipline (Coverage).  The worst that happens when you Pooch is you kick the ball out of bounds twice and they get the ball at their 35 or so.     
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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2018, 10:26:51 PM »
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It really is something that each team needs to take into account.

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2018, 12:32:42 AM »
The worst that happens when you Pooch is you kick the ball out of bounds twice and they get the ball at their 35 or so.

And in youth ball, that is really lousy field position.

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2018, 08:08:12 AM »
Several years back I was the assistant T-Holder for a squad that suffered through an 0-fer streak for 2 seasons (Reasons are for a different topic).  Last game of year 2 we scored to go up by 2 points with less than a minute to go. Kids are celebrating on the sidelines!  I suggested we kick the ball out of bounds and was told, that's a penalty, that's not going to happen.  Line up, Kick Deep right down the middle, Poof! 80 some yards later, TD. Lost by 6. 2 other coaches turn and look at me shoulders shrugged, palms up.  Afterwards HC says why would you kick it out of bounds?  I said, I would much rather give the defense a chance to defend the field than take a chance on what just happened. 
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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2018, 11:06:05 AM »
I think sometimes coaches, or people in general, forget that there is always a consequence to any decision. In football, not punting has it's consequences. Same with kicking deep or not kicking eps. We all weigh the negatives of doing something but I think coaches rarely weigh the bad of of not emphasizing specials. Sure punting is dangerous. Is it more dangerous than not punting on 4th and 20 from your 20 with a minute left and up by 3? If you are not going to do something you better have a plan. If you can't come up with a solution you better darn well rethink your position.

It is no coincidence that specials seem to either win or lose a game in a playoff/championship scenario. In all but 1 of our runs to nationals (4 total) we were involved in games where specials won us a game. I can remember in 2010 winning a regional game by blocking an ep. Same year in the NC game we lost by 2. We made all of our eps but one. They made all 3 of theirs. 2008 we played a great team and managed to comeback in the 2nd half getting 3 onsides. It was as much about needing the ball to comeback as it was about keeping the ball away from Karan Higden who now is the starting rb at Michigan. Damn near lost a game in the 2011 NC game because we gave up a punt return, missed an ep amd the other team was the best 10yo punting I have ever seen. We had 80 yards to drive on just about every drive. 2014 lost in 3ots to the eventual national champs because we missed eps. Go to Nationals and you will be amazed at how many tight games are won or lost because of specials. We stressed them and usually came out on top of close games because of it. Ignore them at you own peril.

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Re: The Importance of Special Teams
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2018, 11:16:19 AM »
If the sidelines are your 12th man on Defense, why not use that same mentality on Special Teams? 
 
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