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Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« on: November 19, 2018, 11:50:08 PM »
Hello all,

I will be going into my third season as OC next year. I will be coaching Fifth Grade (11u) and I want to start teaching them how to zone block. We have a few spread plays they we had success with with man vs man blocking. I'd really love to teach these kids how to zone block but first I need to learn it so I can show them how.

Any help on how to teach zone blocking and any complementary plays that you could send my way would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Coach Chris

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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2018, 07:35:28 AM »
Chris

Do yourself a favor.  Go Read Joe C's (MH COACH) section.  Post your questions there.  I made the switch to a Pistol Formation style offense this season.  There is no Magic Powder.  Our first year showed that there are growing pains no matter what you are doing.  Can you?  Yes you can.  How is in the details.  :)


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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2018, 09:22:16 AM »
Hello all,

I will be going into my third season as OC next year. I will be coaching Fifth Grade (11u) and I want to start teaching them how to zone block. We have a few spread plays they we had success with with man vs man blocking. I'd really love to teach these kids how to zone block but first I need to learn it so I can show them how.

Any help on how to teach zone blocking and any complementary plays that you could send my way would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Coach Chris
Equally important is teaching the RB how to run zone. 
Get his  eyes to the read and not on  receiving the hand off. Do a 2 step blind handoff drill  to build the trust needed.
Landmark the outside leg of the TE or ghost TE.
Upon getting the eyes in the correct spot. teach him what he is seeing.
For instance on wide zone, eyes to the last man within a  handshake of the TE or ghost TE.
Is the defender's head outside the body of the blocker by my 3rd step? yes, "stick it", get square and get up field with eyes now moving to the next defender inside. Likely a LB or possibly DL.
Is the defender's head even or inside the  blocker. Yes,  "take if".
Stay on original course and landmark on take it and be ready to use stiff arm on LB from inside.
Set up mini drill everyday and as RB takes 2nd step afterhandoff he should be calling out take it or stick it. Progress to adding defenders.

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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2018, 09:35:03 AM »
Equally important is teaching the RB how to run zone. 

This x's 100

Having that "one cut" RB is sooooo important.  As good as your o-line is, your RB needs to be able to make the decision and hit it.  It's hard to break a RBs tendencies of running another style.

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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2018, 09:36:03 AM »
Zone +spread...go to MHcoach section
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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2018, 10:32:19 AM »
This x's 100

^ Exactly.  You can't assume that players "know" how to run correctly, or proficiently in your offense.  We have taught different procedures through the years with our Double Wing, and what we teach now is not only very different from other offenses but from other Double Wings.  Teach them.

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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 10:56:17 AM »
Zone +spread...go to MHcoach section

Better yet, call Joe.  Get a pen, notepad and a cup of your favorite beverage.  Make the call, ask a question and start writing.

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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2018, 04:18:07 PM »
Here is a post I put up a few years ago, I hope it helps:

There have been several posts about using a Zone scheme, and some of them simply don't fit what guys are trying to do(unless you are Mahonz).

The first concept to understand is that Zone blocking is a hands blocking scheme that requires players to know where they are stepping. There needs to a decent split so the Olineman have a place to step as well as be able to clearly define where the defense is. Every play we run in our offense has some element of Zone blocking incorporated. Even our Gap Scheme plays will have a Zone element to it.

Next, Zone blocking scheme give us a way to communicate with our players instantly. It allows us to make adjustments in game with little or no confusion. When everyone speaks the same language it allows you understand what your players are doing.

Zone scheme needs the Running Backs to understand where to run. We give them a spot to run to & then how to get there. On our Zone play the ball can hit the LOS anywhere from Playside D Gap to Backside C Gap. This doesn't mean we dance, instead it's something we develop.

While we are trying to get the defense to move & be wrong, that doesn't mean we aren't physical. We still want to punch the defense in the mouth, we are just selective in how we do it.

Why would a youth coach teach Zone Scheme? The easiest answer is because it works. I have seen teams of limited talent as young as 10; be very successful. It allows the offensive line to focus on how to block more than who to block. This means they will be better blockers, that in it's self is a testament to why.

The bottom line is no matter what you teach you have to coach it. That means teaching fundamentals.

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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2018, 10:50:25 PM »
Hello all,

I will be going into my third season as OC next year. I will be coaching Fifth Grade (11u) and I want to start teaching them how to zone block. We have a few spread plays they we had success with with man vs man blocking. I'd really love to teach these kids how to zone block but first I need to learn it so I can show them how.

Any help on how to teach zone blocking and any complementary plays that you could send my way would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Coach Chris


I'm far from an expert, but here's how I teach zone now.  I feel like it's simpler for kids than some of the other methods.

http://www.dumcoach.com/zone-blocking/the-simplest-zone-scheme-on-earth/

The thing to remember is that zone blocking, in a nutshell, is really just "block whatever's in your playside gap."  Base block whatever's there on Inside Zone.  Reach block whatever's there on Outside Zone.  Teach those 2 blocks (which are no joke) and you'll be 80% of the way to being a good zone team.  There's no need to overcomplicate this.

A lot of zone is really just getting a hat on hat with whatever's in front of you, using the defenders' own leverage against them, and teaching the back how to find and hit the natural creases.  It's really just a juiced up version of an old school dive play.  The classic "zone read" is really just the QB reading that backside DE for a naked bootleg instead of just handing the ball off and faking a bootleg like they used to do under center.

As far as plays that compliment it, Trap and Counter compliment it well.  The play you drew up is what most would call "Power" and that's also a good compliment.  You will need some type of play to get the ball outside, like a Jet Sweep or a Speed Option.

Actually, you could run almost an entire offense with just Inside Zone blocking:

Inside Zone Read as the base play.
Inverted Zone Read (RB going across the QB's face on a sweep path with a read of the DE while the OL blocks zone the other way--QB becomes the zone runner)
Speed Option (zone block the other way, pitch off that unblocked DE)
Zone Counter/Zone Duo/Zone Slice (have a back or receiver go across the formation and kick out that DE on the backside of the zone blocking so RB is free to wind it back)

Add a PAP off it, a good screen or two (vital for the spread) and maybe 3 good passes your QB can actually complete consistently and you're in business running a spread offense at the youth level.  The key to running a spread offense is to make the defense have to respect the spread out receivers so they can't just load up the box.

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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2018, 11:33:14 PM »
I highly recommend choosing one or the other at the Youth Level (IZ or OZ, Stretch).  Yes there are differences.  To that point are you Zone to Run or Zone to Read and Pass.  I will say this.  There is nothing more frustrating than a Zone team who cannot control the ball! But I'm old.  LOL



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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2018, 01:04:47 PM »
The count system and covered/uncovered are the most popular ways to teach zone schemes.  There are definitely other ways to teach zone schemes as well.  Big picture...what system one uses to is less important than the players' ability to execute the play on the field. 

The two biggest things are:
1- does the coach understand the system?
2- does the coach have resources to help when things need tweaked?

If the coach understands the Cardinal system best, then that is what the coach should teach.  Also, things will present themselves as issues that were not thought of during the research and planning stages.  It is best to have resources (read: other coaches with experience in the same system) to bounce questions off of for help. 

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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 05:00:43 PM »
The count system and covered/uncovered are the most popular ways to teach zone schemes.  There are definitely other ways to teach zone schemes as well.  Big picture...what system one uses to is less important than the players' ability to execute the play on the field. 

The two biggest things are:
1- does the coach understand the system?
2- does the coach have resources to help when things need tweaked?

If the coach understands the Cardinal system best, then that is what the coach should teach.  Also, things will present themselves as issues that were not thought of during the research and planning stages.  It is best to have resources (read: other coaches with experience in the same system) to bounce questions off of for help.

So important! It's not that a guy can't figure it out on his own but that can take longer than anybody has patience for.

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Re: Install Help Zone blocking/Plays
« Reply #12 on: Today at 08:30:41 AM »
Soooooo

Since this is in the spread section ide imagine you have 5 olineman, a rb and a qb in gun.

Vs 6 man box you can run basically any type of zone, read, rpo whatever your fancy.

Vs 7 man box now things become tricky, they have 1 extra guy.  Gotta be creative

Vs 8 man box....why arent you throwing, someone's open

Now...vs a 6/7 man box theres 1 bubble vs 50, 2 vs 30, 2 vs 40, so potentially only 1-2 combos.  Thats the biggest issue i have with zone in spread...youre almost always better off just man blocking...think im crazy...thats all chip kelly talked about in philly... being able to man up the front.

With zone is spread with no tight end, i beleive only way you wide zone is with a stretch or pin pull type blocking.

Inside or tight zone is probably where you will have your base built.

Ive done 2 things here, man block, auto combo.  Auto combo is if your guy is a second level defender you double with playside teammate and you dont come off. This is for an all out vertical push.

Both work well.

Beyond that your rb needs to learn the reads and the coach needs to understand red/white or have a reason to run tight zone
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