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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2017, 10:23:23 PM »
LOL- well those were my sons highlights....so those were most of our "BEST" plays. We had 2 or 3 completed Seam Passes and some successful scores on our 43 reverse

The first few clips were the very first game of the year and we ran 6-2 with A Gap crawlers.... who couldn't crawl....or decided that crawling was beneath them

We had 28 kids last year so playing time was big issue so we cycled A Gap kids on every other play.

After about game 3 we realized that we had to stop running that D and switched to a 5-3. It helped tremendously

Our D needs work too so I have to get my HC/DC on this forum too....different section though.

This year we will have 21 or 22 so we can focus some more attention to each individual player, especially on tackling and blocking

PS- I'm not sure why i wasn't on this site many years ago....I have found my new football addiction

Your son is a ball'r no doubt but so are the rest of his teammates.

I saw good energy....a great starting point for a rookie team.
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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2017, 11:20:39 PM »
Thanks Joe
I have it downloaded and I'm excited to study it. Certainly appreciate the help!

mahonz
 I agree 100% man- we have some great players and I'm stoked to coach them all up this year
Just want to make sure I do them justice- find the right spots for em' and let them work

Despite our record we had we only had 7 players decide not to come back (wish we retained them all) But a team of 21 is a bit easier to manage.
75% retention tells me we are on the right track as coaches but just need to refine some things and work more on our practice layout so we are hammering the little things. And hammering blocking and tackling.

We use A.C.E. as our guiding principles Attitude ( have a good one, high five teammates, keep em honest, make em work etc) Concentration (give us 100% focus during practice, drills games) and Effort ( your last play should look like the first play of the game, we don't care if you mess up but you better try your hardest)

I love seeking opinions of others especially those that have zero skin in your game- it helps keep me honest and as unbiased as possible. It helps me to look at things again and see the positives where I used to see negatives.

Many thanks for taking the time out to give your feedback.


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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2017, 12:11:15 AM »
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Dave Cisar is a long time friend, I believe his stuff is great for the youth level. He also has some Spread in his later stuff.
 You should also take a look at that.

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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2017, 10:43:16 PM »
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Dave Cisar is a long time friend, I believe his stuff is great for the youth level. He also has some Spread in his later stuff.
 You should also take a look at that.

Joe


My $.02

I read Dave Cisar's book and dvd's and have ran his version of UBSW (head coach mandated it) Although I do not run it any longer I only ran the basic package but he has alot of other materials that expand it and I have read them.  It has power, spread, misdirection, passing but most importantly solid concepts on blocking, running and play calling.  I have learned so much from his materials that I still use it today years later with a different offense.   So for what its worth his stuff is well organized and invaluable even if you choose something different.  It is the first place I would send any youth coach for a one stop shop.       
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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 03:29:20 AM »
I have not read/studied Dave Cisar's stuff but I don't have to in order to know that his stuff is gold. The type of things he preaches in his posts Practice management, efficient practice structures, drills that translates into in-game situation, etc. are way more crucial than what "system do you run". It's what I would have loved to have learned when I as a new coach.

We once scrimmaged a team and put up around 10 TD's on them, I think we ran a total of 25 offensive snaps. I could hear the other coach harping at his players "You need to line up like them, you need to be down and ready like them, and look like you're ready to play football!" His point was his team needed to be more like my team. I felt bad for his kids because their performance was a reflection of his piss poor coaching, his team was a reflection of that. My point to my team was let's not get ahead of ourselves, the team we played wasn't very good, I don't need to go observe their practice to know that it sucks, and it allowed me to emphasize again to my players why we do what we do in practice which is work hard, fast, and efficiently. When your players see this, they buy-in even more and you can really push the pace of practice.

Long story short, learning practice management, drills, and techniques are more important than scheme. I would study his stuff if I felt I wasn't 100% effective in this category

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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2017, 05:36:29 PM »
Agree 100%- Dave's stuff especially the practice management, game management and overall philosophies of running a team/organization are so good.

I have had his book and DVD's for a few years and have read/re-read the book several times.

I think we fell a little short in our practice set up and letting a few kids behavior/lack of willingness detour some of our plans. We had 5 coaches total but for 28 kids it was still a big undertaking. 2 coaches were new to the sport but agreed to help out.  This year we will have 21 players so that will make a huge difference right away.

Team blocking or tackling drills will be the main point of emphasis immediately following warm up to serve as an extended warmup AND to hit the most important aspects of youth ball right away while their minds are still the practice. Because as you all know 9/10yr olds are flighty as hell sometimes.

We did this last year but towards the middle of the season we starting doing more of the blocking and tackling in the individual position breakouts and it led to some gaps in the way it was being taught and the message of how important it was to our success.

How long do you all practice and how do you break down your time? Just looking to steal some good ideas and possibly incorporate them into our practices.

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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2017, 09:57:32 AM »
When last I coached (2 years ago before taking some time off for health reasons) we ran spread 3 years in a row pretty successfully. We were pretty bare bones (by my standards) run game was trap, power (which was trap just opposite side) and speed option. Pass was bubble and its complimentary plays and smoke screen and its complimentary plays. We were no huddle, hand signal team. Really isn't very hard. If you can coach it, you'll have success.

Be great at counting the box, master trap and be good at the bubble. The complimentary plays is where you'll make your $$$. We were strictly a 3x1 team. Made it so much easier to see how the defense was lining up and what they were giving us.

Light box with 2 high.....just pound it till the are forced to come out of it.

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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2017, 10:32:30 AM »
When last I coached (2 years ago before taking some time off for health reasons) we ran spread 3 years in a row pretty successfully. We were pretty bare bones (by my standards) run game was trap, power (which was trap just opposite side) and speed option. Pass was bubble and its complimentary plays and smoke screen and its complimentary plays. We were no huddle, hand signal team. Really isn't very hard. If you can coach it, you'll have success.

Be great at counting the box, master trap and be good at the bubble. The complimentary plays is where you'll make your $$$. We were strictly a 3x1 team. Made it so much easier to see how the defense was lining up and what they were giving us.

Light box with 2 high.....just pound it till the are forced to come out of it.
We ran a bunch of spread in 2014. We motioned to trips much of the time. Jet was a big part of our game with the compliments. Slant to the single receiver side off jet fake was like stealing.

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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2018, 01:41:47 PM »
Not sure how many, if any will see this but last year we went ahead and put in a spread offense and were successful with it. Took our team from 1 win in our 3rd grade season to a 4-4 record and we made the playoffs.

The spread worked even with 3rd graders, the kids loved it, and could execute it very well.

Thank you to all that shared your thoughts and ideas. We will be running the same system again but implementing a killer screen game :) Cant wait!!

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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2018, 04:59:47 PM »
Big coco spread doesnt work...

That coach is a joke

He also ran spread in 2009 when people didnt see much of it in the north east...

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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2018, 05:07:49 PM »
We took bits and pieces from that playbook but not much.
Taught Oline Zone blocking and TAG and GAT communication blocks
2x2 and 3x1 worked well for us- spread definitely helped us ramp up our offense.
Jet Sweep and simple bubble routes out of backfield were our most lethal plays- accounted for about 750 yards and 8 TDs throughout the season.
Installing options and screens this year- should be fun

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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2018, 05:11:13 PM »
You dont get the joke and thats ok

Any offense works when you block, run, catch, and play with momentum
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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2018, 08:50:53 PM »
I think spread can be very good at that level and you have already been pointed in the right direction.

Something to keep in mind is that on your other thread, you mentioned you think  you will have low numbers.

I think that the single wing is an excellent offense for small numbers because nearly the whole line blocks the same rules every play which makes it easy to interchange, plus your ends can be either reciever or blocker types so the offense is very easy to fit your personnel to.

I think if you go spread you might want to still have some of your single wing in the back pocket.

Or as i suggested in the other thread,  run a beast package which is essentially the same as single wing but even easier to plug players into.

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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2018, 09:24:49 PM »
Big coco spread doesnt work...

That coach is a joke

He also ran spread in 2009 when people didnt see much of it in the north east...

Yah that Big Coco is a big goof....with big hair.  :P
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Re: Spread for 10u???
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2018, 10:35:44 AM »
Yeah that one went right over my head yesterday :D

That was one of my major concerns about the potential low numbers could I still maintain the spread. I did use SW last year for a few series as we ran that our very first year when we had all first year players. I agree that I will likely need to lean on it this year as well.

Still have some left to recruit sonthat is the name of the game right now.

Thank you all for your input and suggestions.