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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2017, 10:45:41 PM »
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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2017, 11:16:27 PM »
Jerry Jones has been absolutely huge for the league.

He was a big part of the push for the initial Fox TV contract, which was an absolutely huge deal for the league, because it created much more competitive bidding, since there were now four networks for three packages.

And the Pepsi/Nike stuff was huge, as much as the league hated it at the time.

Slight correction. Spit balling here a bit but this has been a huge topic in Denver over the last year.

Pat Bowlen brokered the TV contracts between Fox, CBS, NBC and ABC in the early 90's. JJ was a new owner then and assisted due to his strong negotiation skills. This also was the birth of Sunday Night Football.

NBC backed out so Bowlen convinced Fox to take all NFC related games and CBS to take all AFC related games and for ABC to take Sunday and Monday Night Football.

Eventually ESPN got involved and then the NFL Network and NBC took over Sunday Night Football.

This was right after a strike season that ravaged TV ratings. The infamous Scab Season. The Networks were fuming mad and refusing to re-up for the money the NFL wanted / needed. The NFL was a mess then. Bowlen stepped in and convinced them of how things could be once the NFL owners pull their heads out of their asses and introduce Free Agency and Salary Caps that will fix all of the CBA issues the NFL was having during the entire past decade. Fox, CBS and ABC all bit and the rest is history.

JJ helped the owners pull their heads out of their asses thereafter. He played a MAJOR role in stabilizing the NFL in the 1990's. Him putting the Nike Swoosh all over Texas Stadium was unheard of at the time. The owners balked so JJ told them all to get on board or f off.

JJ admitted at the HOF Dinner last year that Pat should have gone in first because he shaped today's NFL. The Bowlen Family still owns the Broncos but they are no longer involved. All business is done via a Trust because Pat is full blown Alzheimer with none of his children willing to take over.

Its why  Denver sucks right now. The gig is up. They are cash strapped until the Ownership is resolved. They cant pay up front guaranteed money that some of the top shelf free agents are now demanding.

Kronke wants to buy the Broncos since he already owns the Nuggets and the Avalanche...indirectly. But since he owns the Rams the other owners wont allow it. I think that eventually happens with a partnership with Elway who was offered 10% of the Broncos for $15M back when he retired in 2000 but passed. That investment now would be worth roughly $250M.

Instead...Elway and Bowlen created the AFL Colorado Crush where Bowlen taught Elway how to be an Owner. Right now....Elway doesn't have the net worth to buy the Broncos outright.
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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2017, 11:34:41 PM »
Another seed JJ planted that is HUGE today is forced profit sharing. He put up his Cowboys that have always brought in the most profits as collateral.

This assured that Dallas with forever have a quality League to play in. It worked beautifully.  During the 2000's all NFL teams value increased 25% each to include Buffalo that has always lagged behind.
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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2017, 11:51:26 PM »
If it wasn't for Kronke, the Jaguars wouldn't have the best owner in sports. And the Rams would still be in St. Louis.

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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2017, 12:58:55 AM »
Profit sharing goes way, way back. Long before Jerry Jones.

The Pepsi and Nike stuff was significant because it got around the profit sharing.

The Fox deal was significant because Fox wasn't even in every market. They didn't even have a sports division. A lot of people thought is was a ridiculous concept. But the deal made Fox and it had a massive impact on the league.
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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2017, 08:24:47 AM »
Profit sharing goes way, way back. Long before Jerry Jones.

The Pepsi and Nike stuff was significant because it got around the profit sharing.

The Fox deal was significant because Fox wasn't even in every market. They didn't even have a sports division. A lot of people thought is was a ridiculous concept. But the deal made Fox and it had a massive impact on the league.

You are correct....JJ brought about forced reinvestment off profits. My mistake.

He has certainly been a "player" thats for sure.
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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2017, 08:43:30 AM »
If it wasn't for Kronke, the Jaguars wouldn't have the best owner in sports. And the Rams would still be in St. Louis.

Yah...Kronke is not very popular in some areas thats for sure.

The major players are following in JJ's footsteps when it comes to facilities and St Louis wasn't interested.

This LA experiment with the Chargers and the Rams will be interesting. Lots of new stadiums have been popping up around the League but will the fans support the teams? Im not sure the fans even matter all that much anymore as long as they tune in on TV. Jacksonville is an interesting example. A stadium that has been rarely full yet they have cash to spend.

Go figure.

Doesn't that owner also own a Sokker Club in England and why the NFL is playing so many games in London?
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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2017, 11:21:31 AM »
Yah...Kronke is not very popular in some areas thats for sure.

The major players are following in JJ's footsteps when it comes to facilities and St Louis wasn't interested.

This LA experiment with the Chargers and the Rams will be interesting. Lots of new stadiums have been popping up around the League but will the fans support the teams? Im not sure the fans even matter all that much anymore as long as they tune in on TV. Jacksonville is an interesting example. A stadium that has been rarely full yet they have cash to spend.

Go figure.

Doesn't that owner also own a Sokker Club in England and why the NFL is playing so many games in London?
Yes, he owns a pretty big team in England. And you are incorrect in saying the Jags stadium is rarely full. They haven't had a black out in years. Khan has done any amazing job since buying the Jags from the Weavers. He has not only kept his promise to keep the Jags in Jacksonville he has put his money where his mouth is. So many improvements to the stadium since he bought the team. I guarantee if he was not blocked from buying the Rams, they would still be in St.Louis.

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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2017, 01:03:19 PM »
Yes, he owns a pretty big team in England. And you are incorrect in saying the Jags stadium is rarely full. They haven't had a black out in years. Khan has done any amazing job since buying the Jags from the Weavers. He has not only kept his promise to keep the Jags in Jacksonville he has put his money where his mouth is. So many improvements to the stadium since he bought the team. I guarantee if he was not blocked from buying the Rams, they would still be in St.Louis.


Kinda. Owners like Khan and Davis and others struggling with the blackout rules got together and made a deal with the other owners that if the Stadium was less than 85% full the visiting team would take a higher cut from gate fees as long as the game was televised. The other owners insisted these teams at least get to 70% before a blackout. To assure these teams would not get blacked out they "blacked out" huge portions of their stadiums by tarping off entire seating sections. Now teams like Jacksonville and Jokeland only had to sell about 30K seats to be considered a 70% sellout. 40K got them back to the 85% sellout so they wouldn't have to pay more to the visiting teams.

The idea is if these teams got back on TV then the fans will come to the games more often. Hopefully that has worked in Jacksonville. It never did in Jokeland.

Denver played in Jacksonville last season. On one of the local talk radio shows they asked Ellis about how things were in Jacksonville. This was a hot topic due to all the stuff going on in the AFC West with Jokeland and San Diego moving. He said Jacksonville was doing just fine.
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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2017, 05:35:51 PM »
 The issue with the Jaguars' stadium is it is too big for the market. They built it for events that happen there once a year when it should have been built for the team that plays 10 games a year there. Yes the tarps get made into a joke and as a Jag fan I get to hear it from ignorant people all the time. The truth is we haven't had a blackout or a threat of a blackout in years. We don't even have the smallest stadium in the league. There are larger markets than Jacksonville with smaller stadiums. The biggest issue with Jacksonville is it is a town that supports a winner. If you win, they will be there. If you don't they will show up, though not as much as of you win, and they will let you know about it. The issue is as everyone knows, the Jags have been terrible, especially at home and if you are terrible you are going to have issues with attendance on pretty much every market.

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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2017, 06:48:51 PM »
**** Jerry Jones. I don't even mind the Cowboys, my old man grew up a fan and I cheer for them, but that man can go suck something unpleasant.

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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2017, 10:16:40 AM »
The issue with the Jaguars' stadium is it is too big for the market. They built it for events that happen there once a year when it should have been built for the team that plays 10 games a year there. Yes the tarps get made into a joke and as a Jag fan I get to hear it from ignorant people all the time. The truth is we haven't had a blackout or a threat of a blackout in years. We don't even have the smallest stadium in the league. There are larger markets than Jacksonville with smaller stadiums. The biggest issue with Jacksonville is it is a town that supports a winner. If you win, they will be there. If you don't they will show up, though not as much as of you win, and they will let you know about it. The issue is as everyone knows, the Jags have been terrible, especially at home and if you are terrible you are going to have issues with attendance on pretty much every market.

To me, it said a lot about how the population viewed the team with keeping the FL-GA game. I'm all for keeping that game in town as it is a great tradition, but if you want an NFL team, they are used to being king and you had better treat them as such. The town was not willing to do that.

And from my perspective, for good reason. This was a football fanbase that grew up watching Spurrier's Gators, Bowden's Seminoles and Johnson / Erickson / Coker Hurricanes. That's a ton of wins to compete with and the team for the past several years has let down the fanbase. I count it as nothing less than amazing that the fanbase has actually showed up as much as it has. They were on a stretch there of Cleveland level of losing.

But still, the stadium should have been built to suit an NFL team, not and NFL team and a massive college game and a monster truck show.

All of that being said, I love the way Khan is slowly redefining that stadium one piece at a time. I think it may be a model for how other cities go about appeasing owners and teams that want swanky new stadiums digs.
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Re: 2018 HOF top 25
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2017, 09:11:27 AM »
Jerry Jones has done a great job taking credit while riding the coattails of what others have done.  He's a master self-promoter, and that's about it.  Snake-oil salesman.  They all are.  Kraft is one of the good ones, and he's an asshole too.  Vicious, cold business organization.

The NFL was the behemoth nobody could kill.  They woefully underestimated the stupidity of the owners.