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Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« on: July 13, 2017, 01:10:25 PM »
I'm an OC for a high school varsity team.  Head coach wants me to install Air Raid and play tempo, which I have.  So months ago I said I would do this but we need to use the whole roster, this dude plays about nine guys both ways most seasons. Anyways he agrees to everything I say.

Then spring ball started and we're starting six guys both ways in 7 on 7.  Worse yet, we play 11 on 11 and nine guys are starting both ways.  Guys are gassed, I sub them out, the HC subs him in the next play.

This week we scrimmage 11 on 11 and this dude starts putting guys in positions they've never practiced....starting!  WTF!  The other team was no huddle also and ran us off the field of course.  Again, I'd sub, he'd sub them back in.

I say "why are u putting our Z at Y? He's not gonna play there during the season."
He says, " yes he is, he's running too many streaks at Z, that's why he's always tired."
"He never comes out, that's why he's tired."
"No, it's because he's running too many streaks."

This genius seems to think guys should not come out of games,, even when both teams are no huddle, and kids are playing both ways.

This guy has been a close friend since I was ten, I can't stand him anymore.

I don't see how I will make it to week one, let alone thru the season.  I feel bad for the team. But I have to do all the install on the field, run game pass pro, etc, because this dude wouldn't have a meeting where I could put it on the whiteboard for the coaches.  I text and email everything to the other coaches.

He does not know the offense, even though I gave him all materials, and neither does anyone else.  If I leave, it's gonna be a bigger shit show than it is already.

Maybe it's me, he seems to get along with the other coaches, all former players that he's coached.

I've talked with him, he gets very defensive, so I text him.  Nothing works, he's too far gone. There's no way to solve it I don't think.

We have another scrimmage today, I don't even feel like going.  Hopefully, I don't go off in front of the team and make a scene.

Sorry, this post probably doesn't help anyone, just needed to vent.




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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2017, 01:27:28 PM »
This is going to sound bad to some here but you need to leave. You can't help anymore. You will be miserable and misery loves company if you get my meaning. I will never again coach in a situation that I don't want to be in. No matter the reason. If you coach under circumstances that you totally disagree with then you will hate it. Why do it if you hate it? The team will still be 0-10 and not learn a darn thing whether you are there or not. The header will see to that, I promise you.

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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2017, 01:29:23 PM »
CnD

First you need to establish exactly what your role as OC means.  Next running Air Raid you need to rotate players according to your plan not his.

How many varsity players do you have ?

This may require a phone call.

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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2017, 01:40:59 PM »
First you need to establish exactly what your role as OC means.

In 2007, I was an OC at a middle school.  The HC said that I would run the offense.  He was never at practice, so I ran the offensive personnel, too.  In our first game of the season, he ran the personnel and we were shut out.  After the game, I told him I would resign effective immediately, unless I was allowed to run offensive personnel, too.  He gave me complete offensive control after that.  We ended up leading the conference in scoring, despite being shut out that first game.  Sometimes, you have to take a stand.

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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2017, 02:16:04 PM »
I've never been a HC, but I've seen two ACs quit. Both after having loud verbal altercations with the HC.

If you can't get on the same page as the HC, you should probably leave. Sounds like you have your stuff together, but I'm guessing the HC thinks he has his together as well. If you feel in your heart that getting on his page would mean lowering your standards to an unacceptable level, then better to part ways than subject the players to a crap show. It sucks, but it's probably the lesser of two evils.
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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2017, 02:28:40 PM »
This is going to sound bad to some here but you need to leave. You can't help anymore. You will be miserable and misery loves company if you get my meaning. I will never again coach in a situation that I don't want to be in. No matter the reason. If you coach under circumstances that you totally disagree with then you will hate it. Why do it if you hate it? The team will still be 0-10 and not learn a darn thing whether you are there or not. The header will see to that, I promise you.

I agree with Rob but before do this, make one last attempt to clear the communication lines.  Go grab a beer, away from the field and fire of the game.  See if you can communicate your concerns effectively and get him to buy in or at least respectfully disagree with your choices but agree to respect them.  If that doesn't work, then yes, you gotta get out.  Maybe you feel like  you're abandoning the team but will their experience be that much worse with or without you?  Sounds like the HC will drive them into the dirt regardless.

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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2017, 03:01:40 PM »
I was once fired before the season started. It sucked, but I moved on.

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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2017, 03:25:46 PM »
Tough break...hes the header your the asst

No matter what it looks bad on you
...abandon the kids...program...
...youre labled as a coach who quit pre season...effects future oppurtunities

If that doesnt matter ... peace out...
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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2017, 03:33:08 PM »
Tough break...hes the header your the asst

No matter what it looks bad on you
...abandon the kids...program...
...youre labled as a coach who quit pre season...effects future oppurtunities

If that doesnt matter ... peace out...
That is the part that sucks. I didn't even chose to leave last year and the kids I was forced to leave were still upset with me about me leaving. They thought I quit on them for another team.

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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2017, 04:07:21 PM »
CnD

First you need to establish exactly what your role as OC means.  Next running Air Raid you need to rotate players according to your plan not his.

How many varsity players do you have ?

This may require a phone call.

Joe

Joe we had around forty in spring.  Our three fastest players, all two way starters, did not come back for summer.  That should tell you how much fun they're having. 

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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2017, 04:51:19 PM »
Sometimes even the best intentions aren't worth the misery.

I agree, make one last attempt to catch his ear and then, if nothing changes or no agreements are made, resign.  The last thing any team needs are coaches who cannot coach together regardless of how good, or bad, they are.  If you come to the conclusion that it cannot work, best part ways and avoid a potential Coaches "Sh*t Show" at practice or during a game.

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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2017, 04:54:21 PM »
I walked out on an Oklahoma drill when the DC started instructing the O-Linemen and then argued with me.

I said, "Looks like you have it handled. I'll be at the mall," and off I went.

Worked out fantastically. And still paying off.
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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2017, 05:29:35 PM »
CnD

It sounds like there are a lot more issues than just who plays where. Losing 3 skill guys in a Skill guy offense tells me there are larger problems. It sounds like you need a chat with the HC ASAP. It sounds like you are in a tough spot, if you walk away now your reputation will suffer. If you stay your sanity will suffer.

I have been in the same position before. Once I coached with a HC who didn't know the plays & the very first game during a T.O. he ran out & drew one up in the dirt. It was a disaster, & like DP I asked if he wanted me to continue coaching there.
 I had limited issues after a small heart to heart in private.

I really believe you have to clear things up before going any further. There is nothing wrong with defining your exact role.
 I have a feeling if you do this you may be in a better position going forward. You either are or you aren't the OC, if you aren't then you are simply a position coach.

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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2017, 05:36:44 PM »
Anyplace you coach- have a very clear set of responsibilities and boundaries set up BEFORE you accept

Good coaches are hard to come by
Coaches have value- if you dont have perceived value- either build it or go to a place where that perceived value is recognized

You are negotiating

You lose almost all your leverage if you try to negotiate "terms" after you've accepted and are invested

I did this when almost accepting a local youth job
The details were the deal breakers- so   I passed and set up my own program
It would have been awful if I would have accepted
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Re: Any AC's ever quit before the actual season started?
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2017, 05:45:08 PM »
If you plan to walk anyway I would at least have a conversation about your duties and what he expects.  If you are the OC then he should let you OC the offense.  After you iron it all out and come to an understanding of who has what then make your final decision. If he still plans to take over and override  what decisions you make then at that point you may have to go ahead and leave.  At least you can say you tried. 
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