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Offline Vikingsfootball

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First year running a organization
« on: October 13, 2015, 03:19:45 AM »
Had anyone in here recently started a org or done it in the past that can help me out I have some questions if like done input on

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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2015, 06:20:33 AM »
Ive started 2 from scratch and run one now
PM me
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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2015, 03:27:11 PM »
Started one from scratch and We are on our 2nd Year. Get Dave Cisar's book that helped me big time!!

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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2015, 01:26:00 AM »
By all means talk to Dave Cisar - he's the best authority figure I know for starting a program from scratch.  Feel free to PM me as well (I'll be happy to give you my direct phone # for serious discussions) - I'm now in my 4th year as a program president and 11th (12th?  I've lost track) overall year on a Board of Directors.  I was President in Redondo Beach in greater Los Angeles in 1999 and 2000 and on the Board there from 1998-2006 and now President in La Jolla in greater San Diego for the 2014 and 2015 seasons.  So, while I haven't started an org from scratch, I have a pretty good idea of what it takes to make an org successful.  You should also reach out to Coach Correa in Hartford, CT - he's done this a few times very successfully and will, no doubt, have some very good insights for you.

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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2015, 01:52:33 AM »
I'm willing to listen.  Started the current from scratch.  4th Stint on the BOD this year! 

IMHO its about transparency first and foremost.  Then consistency!  Its about the kids! Anyone who says less is fooling you!
 
I think Dave C would agree that you do whats right for the kids!
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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2015, 11:06:15 AM »
Its about the kids! Anyone who says less is fooling you!
 
I think Dave C would agree that you do whats right for the kids!
I think EVERYONE would agree that you do what's right for the kids.  However, it's not always clear what decisions are in the kids best interest and EVERYONE will claim that their opinion is correct because "it's all about the kids."  Seriously, I've seen people make really stupid decisions then try to justify it because they were just trying to do what's best for the kids.  I've also seen arguments where both sides have vehemently argued that they were right because they were looking out for the kids and the other side wasn't.

For example:

"We need to lower our fees because a lot of families can't afford to play here.  If we lower the fees, more kids will get to play football and this is about the kids, right?  I'm all about the kids, so we have to lower our fees so more kids can play.  It's all about the kids, man ... if you don't agree then you're just not putting the kids first and that's wrong."

vs.

"We need to raise our fees because we don't have enough money to properly equip our kids.  We're sending kids out there in old, broken down equipment and someone's going to get badly hurt.  This is about the kids, right?  Someone has to look out for them and make sure we're keeping them safe.  Anyone that disagrees is not putting the kids first and they're risking their safety.  If this is about the kids, then we have to raise our fees and get them better equipment and keep them safe."

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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2016, 12:02:01 PM »
I think EVERYONE would agree that you do what's right for the kids.  However, it's not always clear what decisions are in the kids best interest and EVERYONE will claim that their opinion is correct because "it's all about the kids."  Seriously, I've seen people make really stupid decisions then try to justify it because they were just trying to do what's best for the kids.  I've also seen arguments where both sides have vehemently argued that they were right because they were looking out for the kids and the other side wasn't.

For example:

"We need to lower our fees because a lot of families can't afford to play here.  If we lower the fees, more kids will get to play football and this is about the kids, right?  I'm all about the kids, so we have to lower our fees so more kids can play.  It's all about the kids, man ... if you don't agree then you're just not putting the kids first and that's wrong."

vs.

"We need to raise our fees because we don't have enough money to properly equip our kids.  We're sending kids out there in old, broken down equipment and someone's going to get badly hurt.  This is about the kids, right?  Someone has to look out for them and make sure we're keeping them safe.  Anyone that disagrees is not putting the kids first and they're risking their safety.  If this is about the kids, then we have to raise our fees and get them better equipment and keep them safe."

thats actually an argument our org has every year. is it better to lower fees, or raise them... thats a balancing act and it has alot of factors.

ive been a board member in 3 different orgs, including bringing on back from the ashes (collapsed org that no one wanted to save). and its not always clear what is best. and you are going to make mistakes. running a non-profit is one of the hardest things ive ever been apart of.

some words of advice:

-- get someone who knows about taxes and finances to be your tresurer, do not leave it up to a non-qualified parent - pay for someone if you have to.

-- find someone who is qualified to be your AD - someone who understands what an AD's role is.

after that.. get parents and buy in.
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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2016, 01:22:15 PM »
It actually team really smooth. The only major problem was coaching we had 22 kids on the 1/2 grade team I was the only one with experience so I coached the offensive line which was out strong point we were well undersized but performed well or backs however were way behind my exhortations they did ok we finished the season 5 and 4 losing to the same team 3x then my 3rd graders who only had 1 kid who had played tackle Before finished 9 and 3 same problem. We had 25 kids not one complaint about paying time. I have to figure out a way to coach my coaches better now. This is what we have done so far this offseason.
1) we have had bi weekly meetings alternating between offense and defense. Going over the basic stuff so far. Such as how we want things taught. So we are all on the same page.
2) we have had a couple fundraisers and a few more upcoming to raise the money to get some more equipment we need
3) we are trying to decide which glazier clinic or clinics we are going to go to (I am the only coach whi has ever went)
4) handed out early bird fliers at the school (all of our kids feed into the same high school)
5) next month we have a team community service
6) now hete is where some problems arise
Next year we will for sure have a 1/2 grade, 3rd grade, 4th grade and a 5/6 grade team
My numbers so far are 17 1/2 9 played last year. I will head this team my son is on it and have 2 returning assts but we have other kids wanting to join need to get 2 more coaches min
My numbers are 17 on 3rd grade 13 played for me last year only a asst coach
I will coach the 4th grade were st 28 but we are playing in 2 ladies 23 played last year I have 4 assts here
Our 5/6 had 13 kids none of who have played no coaches
I personally Aden fine coaching the 2 teams but parents want me to coach all as none of my assts want to be a header hire do I get more parents out fund outside coaches v thanks

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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2016, 11:47:30 PM »
It would be helpful if you proof-read your posts a bit before submitting - that was really hard to follow.  I think I got the gist of it, though. It sounds like you were super successful for your first year, so you should be really proud of that and use it as a spring board to bigger and better things in the future.  It sounds like you're doing a lot of the right things, so just stay the course, and I think you'll have a very successful program in short order.

As you correctly pointed out, quality coaching is always the biggest problem any youth program has.  You can't do it all yourself, so you have to commit yourself to training your coaches.  Recruit coaches from wherever you can - your players parents, disgruntled coaches from other programs, etc, etc.  Wherever you can get them, get them in, and then train them up on whatever goals and objectives you have for your organization.

Dave Cisar has done this marvelously twice in different organizations (both of which he started from scratch), so he would be an excellent resource to get advice from.  If you can get a group of good coaches on board with your program, the sky's the limit.

Good luck to you, coach.  Let us know how it goes.

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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2016, 12:03:38 AM »
Sorry typed that on my phone. We had our offense meeting tonight went well. Had 1 new coach present

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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2016, 01:26:55 AM »
Finding good teachers is tough...Finding those who will stick with a program is even tougher.  There are "Quality Daddy Ballers" out there.  There are folks who know the game as well. 

I think the hardest thing to do is establish what your program is about and stick to your guns. 

If you are a Developmental league find those who develop!
If you are "Competitive", find those who can put the best product on the field! 

I caution you to be Extremely Clear on this aspect! There is a huge difference between the two!

I can be developmental and still be "competitive".  Its harder to be about the "W" and develop kids because of the emphasis!  Its only fair to the Kid, Parents, and Coach to be VERY CLEAR!

Besides it will save you a ton of anguish in the long run. 

Where I grew up we had "League Teams" and a "Traveling Team"   League was Developmental and you tried out for the "Traveling Team".  It was a measure of Pride to make the "Traveling Team" yet there was no "Playing Time" foretold.  So one had to decide if they wanted to "Play Football" or "Make the Team". 

More over...YOU HAD TO ACCEPT THE FACTS! 

Not MPP... ONE TASK!  Teach them!  :)

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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2016, 08:20:51 AM »
Coach

Please start by downloading the free book on how to start an org from scratch- here- http://winningyouthfootball.com
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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2016, 12:51:35 PM »
If you are a Developmental league find those who develop!
If you are "Competitive", find those who can put the best product on the field! 

I caution you to be Extremely Clear on this aspect! There is a huge difference between the two!

I can be developmental and still be "competitive".  Its harder to be about the "W" and develop kids because of the emphasis!  Its only fair to the Kid, Parents, and Coach to be VERY CLEAR!

Besides it will save you a ton of anguish in the long run. 

I can't agree with this more. We went through this last season as the parents and coaches weren't on the same page and the organization was strangely mute on the subject. When I sent out surveys to the parents at the end of the season, we were (justifiably) roasted for not being clear enough.
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Re: First year running a organization
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2016, 01:30:55 PM »
Thats another problem we had arise last night the total count for my 4th graders kast night was 32 im not splitting them at that number what we are contemplating is instead of playing both the keagues have a set of 20 play @ the non competitive league and 20 going to the competitive league. We have floated this with parents and they all agree with it. Right now id have 10 kids who only play non competitive and 9 who only play competitive that leaves 13 bouncing back wed have 23 non competitive and 22 competitive