Help MosleyTheCat keep the forum running smoothly. Please DONATE using PayPal!

Author Topic: My New Normal  (Read 2639 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline tiger46

  • Copper
  • Posts: 284
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: Killer Bee
  • Offense: Double Wing
  • Title: Coordinator
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2017, 10:34:26 PM »
Mahonz,

I'm not really sure if I still like you anymore.  I want to continue to like you.  But, my jealousy of you continues to fight me on this.  :P  Basically, you have the ideal setup that I've been striving for over the last few seasons.  Maybe, I don't won't to give up as much control as you have.  But, I'm somewhere close to wanting that much freedom.  My problem is that I'm currently the OL coach, the ST coach, the tackle coach, The DC and all the defense positions coach, too.  Too many hats to wear, imo.  Basically, I'd only have me to hire and fire. 
I did manage to get rid of the HC mantle entirely for this upcoming season.

“It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. ”  ― Frederick Douglass

Offline shawnm

  • Copper
  • Posts: 389
  • Coaching: 10 & Under
  • Defense: Killer Bee
  • Offense: Single Wing
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 11:36:31 PM »
Agree man,  Mahonz must be a heck of a leader of men and boys.  Every year I take teams in our area that didn't have a daddy baller sign up to coach.  I end up with two or three helper dads that all think their kid should be the next Peyton Manning. I do a preseason clinic that goes in one ear and out the other.  I usually end up starting with line then running between backs and line on both offense and defense.  Most all these helpers want to stand around and BS rather than coach.  Maybe I give up on them too fast or don't get to know them personally.   Probably just need to find someone  else that likes this hobby every fall like I do.

Offline mahonz

  • Administrator
  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 23101
  • No Wimps
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Assistant
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2017, 10:18:56 AM »
Agree man,  Mahonz must be a heck of a leader of men and boys.  Every year I take teams in our area that didn't have a daddy baller sign up to coach.  I end up with two or three helper dads that all think their kid should be the next Peyton Manning. I do a preseason clinic that goes in one ear and out the other.  I usually end up starting with line then running between backs and line on both offense and defense.  Most all these helpers want to stand around and BS rather than coach.  Maybe I give up on them too fast or don't get to know them personally.   Probably just need to find someone  else that likes this hobby every fall like I do.

I think its just fine that dads are there for their kids. Its youth football and the only reason they are coaching is because of their kid. So I try and work it so that they understand for 8 hours a week they have 20 kids and its important to be a fan of all of them. That works pretty well for the most part. We are all parents and parents want their own to do well in everything. Just create a balance.

Fortunately I do have a couple of coaches with no kids on the team and Gumby who is one smart dude. But it has been a process for me to just let go and allow things happen. What I began to realize with my fingers in every pie is I was making too many mistakes and causing confusion. It is impossible to coach a team alone....not by yourself....but alone.

As far as leading....I try and do as little as possible. I have a new Mojo Coach....the Header always has the floor first. I encourage others to be their own coach. I am still involved with laying out a Program but NOTHING is set in stone. If someone has an idea....lets hear it....run with it...see what happens.

Taking ownership in something collectively has really worked out well. And yes....every single coach has that hidden agenda, just keep it hidden.  :)
Collect moments, not wins.

Offline mahonz

  • Administrator
  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 23101
  • No Wimps
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Assistant
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2017, 10:19:56 AM »
Mahonz,

I'm not really sure if I still like you anymore.  I want to continue to like you.  But, my jealousy of you continues to fight me on this.  :P  Basically, you have the ideal setup that I've been striving for over the last few seasons.  Maybe, I don't won't to give up as much control as you have.  But, I'm somewhere close to wanting that much freedom.  My problem is that I'm currently the OL coach, the ST coach, the tackle coach, The DC and all the defense positions coach, too.  Too many hats to wear, imo.  Basically, I'd only have me to hire and fire. 
I did manage to get rid of the HC mantle entirely for this upcoming season.

Too many hats is exhausting. That was the path I was on. No thanks !
Collect moments, not wins.

Offline Coach Correa

  • Silver
  • Posts: 1303
  • Loved by few but Respected by All
    • generalgridiron.com
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 5-3
  • Offense: Wing T
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2017, 03:22:34 PM »
You guy's are better than me I don't got the balls to attempt these thought's !!!!
Head Coach Tito Correa
Danbury Hatters 14-U
Offense-Hybrid Wing
Defense-M-50-Stack

Offline mahonz

  • Administrator
  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 23101
  • No Wimps
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Assistant
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2017, 06:31:27 PM »
You guy's are better than me I don't got the balls to attempt these thought's !!!!

LOL

Well it hasn't been that many seasons for me with my New Normal...a couple of Falls and a couple of Springs but at the end of the day the winning percentage hasn't changed. Make the playoffs every year and with a little luck get to the Big Show every other year.

That is more than most teams accomplish so Im good with that. This whole thing has really opened up my eyes. Besides its youth football. Its not like we are building airplanes here.  :P
Collect moments, not wins.

Offline gumby_in_co

  • Gold
  • Posts: 2873
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: League Owner
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2017, 03:29:31 AM »
Probably the highest compliment I've ever received as a coach. Love you, bro.
Mission Statement: To create a Football Family that our players and parents can't imagine not being a part of.

Offline GP

  • Silver
  • Posts: 1516
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: Undecided
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2017, 11:46:50 AM »
there's a happy medium to be had.

if you have ACs who can coach and aren't giving them real responsibility, you're selling your team short.

same time, i love coaching and believe i add a lot of value doing so so being relegated to BS'ing on the sidelines wouldn't be rewarding for me or optimal for our team.
"Motivation is simple. You eliminate those who are not motivated." - Lou Holtz

Offline CoachDP

  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 15508
  • Mark 9:23
    • CoachDave Potter
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Double Wing
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2017, 03:29:48 PM »
I was going to start out helping leading teaching and then progressively do the least amount of Headering as possible.

Worked great. By the time we played in the championship I spent more time visiting with my sideline guests than I did coaching. Full delegation to others. I was very happy to see the Staff having so much fun. That was fun for me.

Even though I'm on my "final descent" in coaching, I find this is hard for me to do.  Last year was my first time as a header where I wasn't the OC (but we were running Spread, which I know nothing about).  I certainly don't have time to entertain "sideline guests" during our games.  I picture Mike as the head coach of the Lakers, conversing with jack Nicholson and Ann-Margaret.  A nice gig if you can get it, but turning over things to ACs takes prying my fingernails off.

--Dave
"If You Want To Have Better Players, Be A Better Coach."

The Mission Statement:
"I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

Offline Prodigy

  • Silver
  • Posts: 2305
  • Banned
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: Undecided
  • Offense: Undecided
  • Title: Other
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2017, 06:55:00 PM »
Something I picked up in what MAHONZ said that he didn't really focus on with his original post is the passion that the other assistants have.  In the handful of years that I've been involved with this game and standing up a program, I've always felt that it's incredibly important to give people a piece of the pie, an area of responsibility that they are interested in...that they can call their own.  In order to do this however; you have to have personnel who are willing to really step up and be involved at that level.

Sadly, the vast majority of youth football coaches that I have worked with, have very little interest in reading, learning, buying a book, buying a video, attending a clinic.  Sure they have plenty of ideas on what the team should or shouldn't be doing.  Heck, we were running no huddle and I had a coach tell me that we needed to huddle, to give the kids a chance to think about the play.  This was the same guy who thought our Cisar-esque warmup was crap and when he became a head coach, I chuckled to myself when I heard him more than halfway through the season yelling at the kids to "get lined up for warmups...we've been doing this all season."

If I had assistants who were like..."Hey coach, I was looking at the DumCoach forum that you recommended and I'm interested in the KB...the Wing T...the 46...Gregory's 63, Cisars Single Wing, JJ's Double Wing..."  Hell...I'd even be somewhat impressed if someone came and said "Coach, I bought a copy of John T Reeds book...." 
If you show up for a fair fight, you are unprepared.

Offline mahonz

  • Administrator
  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 23101
  • No Wimps
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Assistant
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2017, 08:01:37 PM »
Something I picked up in what MAHONZ said that he didn't really focus on with his original post is the passion that the other assistants have.  In the handful of years that I've been involved with this game and standing up a program, I've always felt that it's incredibly important to give people a piece of the pie, an area of responsibility that they are interested in...that they can call their own.  In order to do this however; you have to have personnel who are willing to really step up and be involved at that level.

Sadly, the vast majority of youth football coaches that I have worked with, have very little interest in reading, learning, buying a book, buying a video, attending a clinic.  Sure they have plenty of ideas on what the team should or shouldn't be doing.  Heck, we were running no huddle and I had a coach tell me that we needed to huddle, to give the kids a chance to think about the play.  This was the same guy who thought our Cisar-esque warmup was crap and when he became a head coach, I chuckled to myself when I heard him more than halfway through the season yelling at the kids to "get lined up for warmups...we've been doing this all season."

If I had assistants who were like..."Hey coach, I was looking at the DumCoach forum that you recommended and I'm interested in the KB...the Wing T...the 46...Gregory's 63, Cisars Single Wing, JJ's Double Wing..."  Hell...I'd even be somewhat impressed if someone came and said "Coach, I bought a copy of John T Reeds book...."

Great points.

Not everyone is going to be a geek about coaching thats for sure.

My take is that its really up to the experienced coaches to infect others with this disease with no known cure...coaching. Im not convinced that telling another adult what to do for 100 days is the answer.

My method of doing that now...throw em in the deep end and see if they sink or swim. So far there have been a lot of swimmers. They have certainly taught me a thing or two as well because now their minds are running.  Two heads are better than one and I will forever appreciate more ideas. 

This past Spring Lar wanted to kill the count system for the OL that we had used for years. My take....do it. He did. Worked great and Im really have no clue what he did.  Not my deal anymore....its his so own it. :)

My DB's coach this past Spring whom I have never coached with before figured out a way to amp up the auto blitzing rules and how to fully exchange. Took him about 3 weeks to stop asking me and just do....because my answer was always the same...do it. See what spits out. Sometimes he would auto blitz over another stunt which is a no no but he quickly smoothed it out. This came in VERY handy in our championship game where we got our asses kicked for 3 quarters and then shut them down completely so our Offense could take over and win the game in the 4th Q.

More ideas...better results even if what you try out occasionally goes into the shredder. Now we know.
 
Its a process and I think it starts with the experienced to stop thinking the less experienced are idiots. We were all less experienced once too.
Collect moments, not wins.

Offline mahonz

  • Administrator
  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 23101
  • No Wimps
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Assistant
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2017, 11:37:57 PM »
Even though I'm on my "final descent" in coaching, I find this is hard for me to do.  Last year was my first time as a header where I wasn't the OC (but we were running Spread, which I know nothing about).  I certainly don't have time to entertain "sideline guests" during our games.  I picture Mike as the head coach of the Lakers, conversing with jack Nicholson and Ann-Margaret.  A nice gig if you can get it, but turning over things to ACs takes prying my fingernails off.

--Dave

LOL

If only I had Phils bank account.

I dont think this philosophy would work if you are a Header that is getting paid.

In two years I start over with the Smurfs again. But this time I am going to take a new approach for the long haul.
Collect moments, not wins.

Offline CoachDP

  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 15508
  • Mark 9:23
    • CoachDave Potter
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Double Wing
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2017, 02:20:55 PM »
I am fortunate enough to have two ACs that are busting their butt for our team.  You definitely need an all-in approach for this to work.

--Dave
"If You Want To Have Better Players, Be A Better Coach."

The Mission Statement:
"I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

Offline spidermac

  • Silver
  • Posts: 2037
  • Coaching: 10 & Under
  • Defense: 6-3
  • Offense: Pistol
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2017, 03:06:24 PM »
So, I have an almost forced delegation situation...back ground...

My son is going into his senior year in HS and is being recruited. Been driving all over Texas and Oklahoma this summer taking him to camps. I resigned my position on the board because I felt that I could not give it the attention it deserved and help my son on his "quest". When I resigned from the board, I was asked if I was going to be able to coach this fall, and my answer was "i don't know yet". But I suspected Saturday games were going to be difficult with unofficial and hopefully official visits for my son...

So I called a meeting with my OC and DC, both of whom I have coached with for years and trust...and told them the situation and asked them if either of them had interest in being the HC. Neither of them did, because they know everything I have to deal with :P I told them that if we didn't figure this out, they team would be disbanded and the boys would be scattered all over the league.

They new Saturdays had the potential of being tough schedule wise...so they asked if I would be available to coach during the weeks...and I was like, "yeah"...so they asked if I would remain the header and if I had to miss a game for a recruiting visit, that the DC could run the sideline...I was okay with that solution, but I told them I really needed to check with the parents and make sure they were good with a possible part time head coach...

I sent a mail, and they were all very understanding and gracious and none had a problem with it...so I get to do all the grunt work during the week, and they get to handle the game day sideline as well as run the O and the D...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

Offline mahonz

  • Administrator
  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 23101
  • No Wimps
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Assistant
Re: My New Normal
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2017, 03:30:04 PM »
Transition complete.

Second year Header is a manager and will allow everyone to coach while he manages. We are the only coaches left from the Original Staff 6 years ago.

Long time associate from the Spring is now going into season 3 as the OC.

New coach from last Spring will take my role and become the DC.

Lar is now fully entrenched in everything. New coach from last Fall with loads of experience is back for another run. Another that has been a long time part timer has a renewed commitment. Another that has never really contributed much has taken over all film duties.

Now I can just coach my Group and watch others....do their thing. We have the talent and the Staff to go the distance. Looking forward to this Season.
Collect moments, not wins.