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Offline Coach Kyle

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Belly This
« on: August 15, 2016, 02:15:37 PM »
How do you guys run your belly play against this?
...x...x......x
x..x...x....x..x
..o.o.0.o.o.o

So there's a man in the B gap and a man outside the tackle.

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Re: Belly This
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2016, 02:53:37 PM »
Youre out numberd 4 blockers to 5 defenders in the box.

If you do it right the the belly option threat should take the olb out or the 5 tech...but one of those will not be playing dive and if they both do well you have an answer.

So lets plan for the def end and olb to be frozen by qb and right HB option look.

Center and backside guard account for nose and stacked backer.

Playside guard and tackle either...
A. X block
B. Combo 3 to lb
C. Man it...guard gets the 3 tackle gets the lb , left hb gets the 9. Or tackle gets the 9 and hb isos the lb

Big pieces are belly option threat and the backside guard comming front side.
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Re: Belly This
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2016, 04:27:45 PM »
How do you guys run your belly play against this?
...x...x......x
x..x...x....x..x
..o.o.0.o.o.o

So there's a man in the B gap and a man outside the tackle.

183 XB looks good to the right

cross block between G & T..... T seals the middle backer, G Kicks the 5/7 tech, wingback leads on the right LB.

but honestly, im drooling over Down (182 down) ill run down at that all day.
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Re: Belly This
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2016, 07:10:25 PM »
How do you guys run your belly play against this?
...x...x......x
x..x...x....x..x
..o.o.0.o.o.o

So there's a man in the B gap and a man outside the tackle.
That's the ideal setup for the cross block.  As to the LBs, you could have the HB lead thru, and if you have belly option, show that with the WB.

A play I wanted to install last year, but didn't get the chance, shows the sequential threats of jet, belly, and spin keep, where the QB keeps one gap inside the belly.  Whether that would work well with the QB doing a full spin (starting facing straight ahead) rather than a 3/4 turn, I don't know.  Anyway, on either spin keep of that sequence, that B gapping DT's getting double teamed, while on the belly it'd just be count the DL outside-in, hat on hat.

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Re: Belly This
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2016, 08:21:26 PM »
These OL blocking drills might help.  :)
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Re: Belly This
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2016, 01:22:34 PM »
How do you guys run your belly play against this?
...x...x......x
x..x...x....x..x
..o.o.0.o.o.o

So there's a man in the B gap and a man outside the tackle.
187 XBL should not be too tough to run.  However, if I they want to put that backer so far inside then you need to exploit that.  THE play against a 5-3 for me has been sprint pass (Blue 11).  You can get some good plays running Keep Pass, but sprint pass allows your QB to attack immediately.  Waggle is also another great play.

Another nice, simple wrinkle is to run unbalanced.  Move them out of their base front.  Take away that stack.

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Re: Belly This
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2016, 03:20:15 PM »
GUTS (usually guard under tackle) block left guard blocks out the 3 tech, left tackle folds back inside or straight to WILL his choice
center ON blocks NG let em go which ever way he wants and block him that way get your butt opposite
right guard to MIKE
right tackle blocks out 5 tech
TE folds back up thru or straight to SAM his call

QB midline steps back away from LOS
FB runs straight at centers butt and cutts left or right pending centers block on nose
HB or wing run up thru A gap to look for safety
the HB or wing fake option outside with QB



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Re: Belly This
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2016, 02:06:35 PM »
How do you guys run your belly play against this?
...x...x......x
x..x...x....x..x
..o.o.0.o.o.o

So there's a man in the B gap and a man outside the tackle.

What am I missing here? This is the ideal look for belly cross.

LT: Gap block DT (near shoulder to near shoulder).
LG: Go under LT, get head in the hole, & kickout the DE. Get butt to the football.
C: Step & seal playside.

HB: lead to OLB.

If the Mike is getting there, run tackle trap. If the OLB is filling hard, run Belly sweep.
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Re: Belly This
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 03:46:51 PM »
I always liked Belly Sweep if the OLB was looking in or in this case lining up inside. I would also try to cross block it. tackle goes  first.

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Re: Belly This
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 04:43:54 PM »
Why can't you run it to the right? Looks wide open to me.

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Re: Belly This
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2016, 12:50:56 PM »
Dear Ironman,

You asked "why cant you run Belly to the right, IYO it was wide open"?

good question, logical and makes sense BUUUUTTT if you do run same play to the right, then its no longer called BELLY, now its called DOWN. Many wing T guys will say "the footwork is completely different" or there is enough difference to give it another name. IMO there aint enough difference, in fact its literally inches away from being the exact same play.

THAT DOES NOT MATTER ITS CALLED THE DOWN YOU (enter expletive)!!!! says the traditionalist wing t coach.


but here is the similarities

-The ball carrier is running off the down block of the tackle - same area or hole
-the QB reverse pivots to hand off or fake hand off to the FB
-the FB is the primary ball carrier
-the QB carries out same fake behind the FB mesh
-play side guard cross blocks with playside tackle


differences

-QB footwork is same but add a few inches here in there
-when BELLY is ran towards the TE side or "strong side" its name is changed to DOWN - this seems to be the biggest deal


sooo in short, the wing T traditionalist will go after you and then your family, unless you comply and use same nomenclature!!!!!





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Re: Belly This
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2016, 04:57:44 PM »
Dear Ironman,

You asked "why cant you run Belly to the right, IYO it was wide open"?

good question, logical and makes sense BUUUUTTT if you do run same play to the right, then its no longer called BELLY, now its called DOWN. Many wing T guys will say "the footwork is completely different" or there is enough difference to give it another name. IMO there aint enough difference, in fact its literally inches away from being the exact same play.

THAT DOES NOT MATTER ITS CALLED THE DOWN YOU (enter expletive)!!!! says the traditionalist wing t coach.


but here is the similarities

-The ball carrier is running off the down block of the tackle - same area or hole
-the QB reverse pivots to hand off or fake hand off to the FB
-the FB is the primary ball carrier
-the QB carries out same fake behind the FB mesh
-play side guard cross blocks with playside tackle


differences

-QB footwork is same but add a few inches here in there
-when BELLY is ran towards the TE side or "strong side" its name is changed to DOWN - this seems to be the biggest deal


sooo in short, the wing T traditionalist will go after you and then your family, unless you comply and use same nomenclature!!!!!





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I was always confused about the difference btwn down and belly. I thought on down the wing just arc blocked vs fill/fold.

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Re: Belly This
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2016, 06:33:08 PM »
J

Where are you at these days?

Joe
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Re: Belly This
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2016, 08:26:46 AM »
If the Mike is getting there, run tackle trap. If the OLB is filling hard, run Belly sweep.

the wing and HB tackle trap are on top of my list for favorite plays in football, awesome plays both of them.

Also if linebackers are biting on the belly there is the BELLY LEAD -where QB fakes to FB then runs right of his arse, the FB behaves as if he has the invisible ball, this play is almost always MONEY! And then there is the BELLY PASS, PAP based on belly action.

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Re: Belly This
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2016, 04:51:38 PM »
J

Where are you at these days?

Joe


I randomly wound up in Oregon.