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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2016, 02:10:13 PM »
I was taught trap to be Bend Bend, that is to say the FB's path is an S. First step is with the Play side foot to the center's away side foot. Second step is a plant making the first Bend.

The QB steps to the Mid Line, & it's a slide hand off.

That's how I was taught.

Joe


and that works fine, i just found that trap hits faster when the FB has the midline.

Gut and On are definitely "bend" routes where the QB has the midline still.
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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2016, 02:35:32 PM »
coach 10 -11 year olds, right? Ok, I have run wing T at this level 3 years, power T 1 year, red/blue jet sweep base O 1 year. (not by choice but with different HC that wanted this)

wing T is a perfect Offense at this level, IMO at most levels really but at this level its "extra" special.

I am usually the guy that says "sure we can do that" and install more and more...BUUUT at this age group just a few of the extras and good fundies will win you more than anything. Just install by series and keep as much as possible the same in each series.

I ran belly as a base backfield action to left and to right, towards or away from TE side. Never once called or used the word "down" in a play call. To me 24 or 26 belly took care of it and made "down" obsolete.

Less is more BUT some extras are killers at this level

1st you gotta have wedge, and run it from all formations, QB wedge FB wedge with or without motion, and have backs XX in backfield for that extra ooomph!

Line flipping is huge!!! and this also allows you to have a "quickside" and a "power side" This way you can run at your best power blockers and have your best pullers doing what they do - pull! This cuts down on coaching time and you dont have to worry "ah man to bad my left tackle sucks at pulling Id sure like to run tackle trap to the right" Flip cures this!

Side note: many D coaches like to act like the line FLIP exposes your play call, and thus doesnt work vs them...GREAT! thats awesome , and thats why it works with wing T so well. Your pullers cross block, tackle trap, guard trap, pull behind the center &&& when you flip the quick guard and tackle can both pull behind the TE & wing and give you a beautiful toss sweep with a flood of your best blockers to the outside!

Belly, Power & TOSS series all with or without motion IS an entire playbook. Oh sure you could install a "jet series" BUT Id advocate to simply have motion with all 3 of your series so its melded right in and hides your intent!!!!!!!

where wedge at this level IMO is a must, equally as important is NOT running option! Let the "other guy" spin his wheels. Let the other guy spend all his time on it, Your a wing T coach you have a shit load of weapons, not just one. The time demand is cost to benefit not worth it! Sometimes you get that natural QB and RB that get it on 2nd attempt and never look back, they just nail it with little coaching. I got this once! And we still didnt call it that often. So if your blessed, go for it!

cross block on left and right side is also a must, in fact you could run it at your quick side G & T both when on left or right side.
Trap block to left and right - again pulling the quick guard to kick out and running right off your power guards down block

Tackle trap to left and right because you flip!!! This is run as the HB counter play off the fake belly or to wing, and is one of my favorite plays in all of football, it offers great misdirection and hits quickly & because all 3 or 4 linebackers got a hat on em!!!

summary
wedge, cross block, trap, flipping line, install by series all good

option bad (usually)

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Well, I'm definitely sold on flipping the line. We did something like that last year, but I think I like your idea for the flip better than what we were doing. We definitely have cross block, trap, and we install by series.

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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2016, 02:46:10 PM »
when I switched HB with FB or wing with FB I ran belly trap, heck one time my FB was just a great athlete and he did it himself. The fb would take first 3 steps to away tackles rump then cut back towards the centers rump, much the same verbage used with buck trap only a more drastic cut back not the subtle bend. Sometimes with motion usually without. The QB reverse pivots hands off and continues to carry out fake to away side, sometimes QB did the "Farve" fake jump-throw during his fake roll out.

This belly trap hit slower than norm but had some good misdirection and the FB path of travel looked like lightening bolt (this would be = to your bend bend or S looking run) or a hockey stick. The hockey stick was my favorite because that meant he got ball and would slice right thru defense on a very efficient path of travel STRAIGHT!!!

OHHH and hay I have seen both the QB turning towards the HB or doing a quick reverse pivot on the buck series. I think its more common for QB to open facing the HB. I HAVE also seen the FB run a buck trap play to the weak or quick side.

And yes the first movement for the FB is towards the away foot of center then bend to playside foot then find open grass between/by linebackers.

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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2016, 02:47:21 PM »
I was taught trap to be Bend Bend, that is to say the FB's path is an S. First step is with the Play side foot to the center's away side foot. Second step is a plant making the first Bend.

The QB steps to the Mid Line, & it's a slide hand off.

That's how I was taught.

Joe

I think it's a matter of opinion. I'm reading Wing T an Order of Football, and it mentions that the QB should go past the midline on the trap. However, my organization does an S.

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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2016, 04:21:48 PM »
I will purposely stay out of this thread for arguments sake. Theres reasons why this thing was put together the way it was put together when your start doing things your own way your kids will suffer this is a rule offense follow em is all I can suggest.
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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2016, 04:59:31 PM »
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We had this discussion on the phone & you know where I learned it from. We are both on the same page. Hey, whatever works but than don't say it's Delaware Wing T.

Funny story all the same lines, I went to a special clinic by Coach Davis. Jay Fielder was the QB at a local HS, he came in wearing a shirt with Go Route drawn on it. Coach Davis made him take the shirt off because it wasn't drawn up right. He said if you are going to call things my stuff you better get it right!

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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2016, 06:05:11 PM »
I will purposely stay out of this thread for arguments sake. Theres reasons why this thing was put together the way it was put together when your start doing things your own way your kids will suffer this is a rule offense follow em is all I can suggest.

thats why i consult the holy Blue Book often. all the rules and information is drawn up for you. no sense in doing it another way.
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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2016, 09:54:00 PM »
Quote from: Morris
As far as the Jet series looking shallow goes. You can almost run everything listed with jet motion either to and/or away from it.
That's what I was thinking.
As I said in reply #1 you could do.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2016, 09:55:40 PM by Bob Goodman »

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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2016, 01:48:58 PM »
I will purposely stay out of this thread for arguments sake. Theres reasons why this thing was put together the way it was put together when your start doing things your own way your kids will suffer this is a rule offense follow em is all I can suggest.
I don't even know what your position is or what you have a disagreement with, but you're not "staying out of it" if you say things like "your kids will suffer."

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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2016, 01:51:42 PM »
That's what I was thinking.
As I said in reply #1 you could do.
Is that what you said? I always feel confused when I'm reading your posts. Must be a couple of levels above me or something.

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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2016, 01:43:13 AM »
Is that what you said? I always feel confused when I'm reading your posts. Must be a couple of levels above me or something.
"Jet series looks shallow unless some of the plays in the other series can be run off a jet fake -- which they probably can, especially if the jet fake consists merely of the motion."

This happens a lot with me.  How much more explicit could I be than, "There's money in the banana stand"?  And I didn't even abbr.!

A few hrs. ago I had the latest in a series of frustrating phone conversations with a friend asking me about his health problems -- in this case a nosebleed.  He gets upset at me for not being able to understand his Qs and for not giving him As that are what he wants to hear.  I get upset at him for saying things in strange ways, thinking I'll know what he means.
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Re: Critique Our Playbook
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2016, 08:33:02 AM »
I'll make another suggestion which is go to Huey's site and find the minimalist wing-t thread. It is a great thread with a lot of really good information.  silkyice over there is a great resource.