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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2016, 02:04:32 PM »
I've thought about doing just that.  We are going to try adapting tackle trap to use as our power/counter.  In theory it should work.  The really cool part what you are talking about is trapping a 0 tech.  They never get trapped and that could REALLY mess with a 0 tech.  Now we are going to be gun which I think is a factor here.

Tackle Trap (Counter) with an H wrap
Power with the BST wrapping instead of BSG
We will make a Tunnel call and wrap Tackle up through.  This will be basically a tag to Power/Counter

Right now I am planning on running trap like you described.


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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2016, 02:30:50 PM »
tackle trap variations

I know there are several ways of blocking this play, most are aimed at play side DT, some target the playside DE for a kick out. I wanted to ask if any of you have treated it like a basic guard trap? What I mean is with a standard guard trap you have center and psg blocking towards the pulling guard who in turn kicks out 1st defender showing past the down block of the psg. To apply this to tackle trap, and just for clarity sake, I will say the left tackle will be pulling, you would have the left guard and center block back towards the left tackle and the LT would pull and kick out 1st defender showing past the centers down block or more accurately in this case a back block.

Yes this means you could target the 0 tech noseguard as the kick out.

how do you run tackle trap? Any variations or tags/cues/adjustments? and have you ran it as above?

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Not a bad idea but woudlnt that mess with dive   back or wing backs aiming point and would screw the timing up thats very similar to delawares 136 ctr out old blue book love the idea thou.
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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2016, 02:46:42 PM »
If under center you could run it off of rocket action

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2016, 04:40:56 PM »
We run tackle trap of belly and rocket action and tried trapping the nose one year. Couldn't get it to work because our QB generally operates just off  the midline and the nose got there too quick. We could've adjusted the QBs steps but then we had to adjust everyone's steps and it became much more of a hassle. 

From the gun it's  a different animal and very doable.

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2016, 05:45:53 PM »
about tackle trap

YES Morris you are exactly correct, it is run 1 of 2 ways, first is off the TOSS series (which is your rocket)

& no it does nothing to your dive play, the tackle trap is for a wing or a HB, not the FB, although IF you wanted to run a FB tackle trap you could, it just wouldn't be slicing diagonally across the defense thru the natural alley that is created, it would instead be more north n south.

off the TOSS or rocket
The QB reverse pivots out, stepping away from center and 1 step back from LOS. QB fakes a pitch/toss and then continues to outside just like he does when lead blocking on toss, he will run by wing. The wing will take a "under" handoff from QB. Trapping the 0 tech is beautiful, they never see it coming! They think ahaaa Im gonna get the QB and BLAMO pulling tackle nails them. The alley way created with DE, DT and nose to one side and all linbackers with a hat on them on the other side is usually 5 to 10 feet wide.

UNDER: is defined as between the LOS and the QB

from shotgun you need some XX action or a fake option 1 way, or fake jet


2nd

off the belly series, you run fake to FB, HB jab steps including head turn wrong way then he counters back just like the belly HB counter trap, but now its fake belly hb counter tackle trap AND THIS PLAY IS MONEY AS WELL!

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2016, 07:00:35 PM »
I'm not sure we need a fake in the gun but we can do it. It would be a compliment to our power and counter. We aim A gap on power and slide to the opening. So the downhill action makes it tough to tell which is coming. Near the end of last season teams really overloaded the outside of the lockout block. Then the backers would flow hard to C gap. Now we could run counter but it hits a little slower than trap. Like I said we could pair it with different actions and use different runners such as the QB.

Under enter I would run it with toss/rocket action and have the QB step into the backside A gap as he reverses out to give a under hand off or I would offset the FB and have him dive and bend.

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2016, 07:35:26 PM »
If under center you could run it off of rocket action
You mean like counter cutback?

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2016, 07:45:14 PM »
from shotgun you need some XX action or a fake option 1 way, or fake jet
A few yrs. ago I diagrammed just such a thing as the advanced version of my offense if I ever got that far with the kids, and it had both fake jet and crossbuck action on the plays with the tackles pulling.

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2016, 06:59:08 AM »
You mean like counter cutback?
No universal terminology in football but more than likely yes.
Example
Right wing goes in rocket motion
QB reverse pivots getting depth. Stay low as you fake the pitch and end up about over top of where the BSG was aligned. Make sure you have enough depth the BST to clear underneath. The BSW needs to get a little depth so he can hit tight to the trap and more downhill.

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2016, 12:27:55 PM »
with no lead blocker misdirection is almost a prerequisite. from gun you could have running back take handoff as his first few steps are towards the pulling tackles position, then cut back towards the centers rump? I mean thats a counter, a subtle one but still a counter.

from shotgun the backs are recessed, less of a quick hit potential, and all in view of linebackers, thats why I was saying a motion or a XX action in backfield eg cross buck aka counter. This recess is why zone read is a viable potential, theres enough time for QB to read reaction of his key and then make subsequent decision to give or keep.

BUT either way its my opinion that traps are set ups plays in general and the tackle trap has great misdirection potential so by default it is a tremendous set up play. Your rocket toss coupled with a counter tackle trap is perfect synergy! The linebackers either flow or they dont EITHER WAY YOU MAKE THEM WRONG OVER AND OVER AGAIN. A we diciplined defense??? perfect! your base play rocket toss will work repeatedly, a heavy flow defense (not that kind of heavy flow ???) then the counter tackle trap just kills!

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2016, 02:17:10 PM »
My interpretation of some wrinkles that I've seen and liked (probably half inspired by Malzahn-ian thought),

Unbalanced line, shotgun, with bunch.

...............xo#ooo.y............
........................h...z
.................f..............
..................q

the qb (1 for our wingt traditionalists) runs or fakes trap while the f runs buck sweep. The Y is in a slightly widen split (but still close enough to down block at POA) to allow for a bunch.

Even better (and a formation nightmare at the MS and below level :) evil laugh)

..............x0#000.y
.............z.h........
................f.........
.................q.......

you can run sweep either way depending on how defense shifts (if they do at all in certain levels of football), fun an apocalyptic qb lead to the weakside, and still run bunch passing concepts. Maybe not a complete system, but a powerful wrinkle with almost zero reteach for a normal wing t team.

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2016, 11:18:42 AM »
im currently playing with the 40 series (veer / inside ride series). running a few different plays out of it that arnt triple.... with my backfield its looked good this off season....

Zone Dive (44 / 46) - i feel like this meshes well with the belly series - this is the flexbone zone dive...so not true IZ

Wedge (45) - i know most of you probably run this, we havnt in a few years.

Midline w/ wedge blocking - Wedge blocking is a tried and true method for teaching a Quick & Dirty Midline.

2nd Man Sweep (41 / 49) - most wing T guys i know run this now, its the "Belly Sweep". but i think it can be just as effective from a veer look.

Peek Pass (43 / 47) - this is the classic veer pass...ride and then 3 step drop...hit the seam quickly
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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2016, 11:06:45 PM »
im currently playing with the 40 series (veer / inside ride series). running a few different plays out of it that arnt triple.... with my backfield its looked good this off season....

Zone Dive (44 / 46) - i feel like this meshes well with the belly series - this is the flexbone zone dive...so not true IZ

Wedge (45) - i know most of you probably run this, we havnt in a few years.

Midline w/ wedge blocking - Wedge blocking is a tried and true method for teaching a Quick & Dirty Midline.

2nd Man Sweep (41 / 49) - most wing T guys i know run this now, its the "Belly Sweep". but i think it can be just as effective from a veer look.

Peek Pass (43 / 47) - this is the classic veer pass...ride and then 3 step drop...hit the seam quickly
Would love to see what you come up with bro.
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