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Wingt Playcalling based on previous play?
« on: July 24, 2017, 02:23:06 AM »
This is kind of a theory question on the Wing T. I am learning about the offense and how playcalls are made of the #3 man's actions. If he seals you go outside of him, if he plays outside you work inside ect.


What do you do if the defender your watching isn't consistent with what he does play to play? If he seals one play and you decide to go outside the next but, he plays outside that play what then? Aren't  you dependent on him doing the same thing?

What about multiple alignments. What if they are not in the same alignment they were in previously? What if they adjust their front  trying to take away what you just did. You get stuck because their not where they should be based on the previous play.

 Also, wouldn't you have to be in the same formation as to try and get a predictable response by the defense? 

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Re: Wingt Playcalling based on previous play?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 11:10:53 AM »
Great question. I notice on film that a lot of defenses change based on personnel. #55 likes to line up as a wide 9 and box, but when #65 comes in, he lines up as a 6 and crashes.

We're "sort of" Wing-T.  Before that, I was Double Wing and a little Single Wing. Always ran Beast. A recurring issue with me is "What to do with an edge/force defender who won't cooperate, or doesn't show?"

Short answer for me is that your edge blocker (whomever he may be) still has a job to do. You try to help him out with the right play call, but sometimes he has to reach hard if a sweep is called. If he's smart, he's not going to try to dig out a crashing 9 tech. He'll just wash him down and your RB runs a little wider.

Having a few seasons both coaching and going against Mahonz "shifting sands" defense every day. Something I know that works is to keep coming back to your bread and butter. For us, it's off tackle. So as Mahonz calls a different defense on every play, we still hit every other play. I know that won't work for a "3 and a cloud of dust" attack, though.
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Re: Wingt Playcalling based on previous play?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 02:29:36 PM »
Great question. I notice on film that a lot of defenses change based on personnel. #55 likes to line up as a wide 9 and box, but when #65 comes in, he lines up as a 6 and crashes.

We're "sort of" Wing-T.  Before that, I was Double Wing and a little Single Wing. Always ran Beast. A recurring issue with me is "What to do with an edge/force defender who won't cooperate, or doesn't show?"

Short answer for me is that your edge blocker (whomever he may be) still has a job to do. You try to help him out with the right play call, but sometimes he has to reach hard if a sweep is called. If he's smart, he's not going to try to dig out a crashing 9 tech. He'll just wash him down and your RB runs a little wider.

Having a few seasons both coaching and going against Mahonz "shifting sands" defense every day. Something I know that works is to keep coming back to your bread and butter. For us, it's off tackle. So as Mahonz calls a different defense on every play, we still hit every other play. I know that won't work for a "3 and a cloud of dust" attack, though.

This is what I was leaning towards. But like you said if you a run dominate team your going to end up with a lot of 3rd and long situations, or at the very least have to pass a good bit.

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Re: Wingt Playcalling based on previous play?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2017, 10:53:08 AM »
This is what I was leaning towards. But like you said if you a run dominate team your going to end up with a lot of 3rd and long situations, or at the very least have to pass a good bit.

If you're a smashy smash team, it's important that 2.5 yards is your worst case scenario. As a double wing coach going against a "brick wall" defense, a penalty, mishandled snap or anything that failed to get 2.5 was often a drive-killer. We try not to play that kind of football anymore, but sometimes the defense forces your hand. It's so much easier to snap off a 40+ yard run.
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Re: Wingt Playcalling based on previous play?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2017, 11:35:06 AM »
I think that defenses that jump around are designed to cause confusion. That said there are two kinds of "confusion" defenses. The one that has a defensive coordinator that grab bags and tees off on your offense with no rhyme or reason. Works when they have superior talent  and face a vanilla scheme. Then there is the confusion type defense that is gap sound that is based on alignment does not change assignment. If you ask a T-based coach to chose they will pick the no rhyme or reason team. The thing with the wing-t is that it deeply rooted in rule blocking. You can line up in any front and they will be able to solve the blocking problem with their rules. They like to stunt or blitz, no problem just tighten splits and don't run plays that require play side pulls.  I could say that formationing can be a great wing-t tool but I have found that it is best when you package plays out of certain formations rather than run the entire offense from every formation. What makes life miserable for T-teams? A well coached assignment based defense with a potent offense.

The easy answer is run opposite of the player that is causing you to second guess your play call. That best answer, have multiple blocking tags for each play so you can take advantage of non static players. Defenses don't take away plays, they take away blocking opportunities. So if they take one away just use another.
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