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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2015, 07:16:20 AM »
apparently struck a nerve here, and didn't mean to offend anyone.

that said, I do stand by the idea that it is easier to coach football if you have actually played the game.  this young man has the opportunity to play and get that experience, he should avail himself to it. 

also, I have to say this:  if you have never played against a guy who is A LOT better than you, you really don't know what it's like.  I played two games against guys that got full boat DI scholarships, and I honestly think it's one of the most valuable experiences of my coaching career.  I see other coaches berating their guys because one of our best players is kicking their ass, even though their kid is trying.  and that's wrong.  I want to say, "coach, he can't block our guy, change his assignment or get him some help' but of course I don't.

i'm sure there are good coaches out there who never played.  but i'm also sure there are plenty of bad ones.  then again, some former players are just awful coaches.
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2015, 10:02:07 AM »
apparently struck a nerve here, and didn't mean to offend anyone.

--You didn't offend.  You simply made a blanket statement that wasn't true.

I do stand by the idea that it is easier to coach football if you have actually played the game.

--"Easier to coach?"  That's your point?  Or that you're a better coach, if you played the game?  Who cares if it's easier or harder?  What matters is if you do it well...how good you are at what you do.  If I wanted "easy" I'd just go ahead and finish last.

this young man has the opportunity to play and get that experience, he should avail himself to it. 

--Absolutely.  No one is saying that he shouldn't.

I have to say this:  if you have never played against a guy who is A LOT better than you, you really don't know what it's like.

--What does it matter if I "know what it's like?"  I can SEE what it's like when/if they struggle against a superior talent.

I played two games against guys that got full boat DI scholarships

--I wondered how long it'd take before you brought out the "when I played."

and I honestly think it's one of the most valuable experiences of my coaching career.

--And therefore it must be the "most valuable" way to gain coaching acumen.  ::)

I see other coaches berating their guys because one of our best players is kicking their ass, even though their kid is trying.  and that's wrong.

--Yes, I see that too.  A lot.  And by coaches that have played the game.

I want to say, "coach, he can't block our guy, change his assignment or get him some help' but of course I don't.

--Perhaps you should, since you played and all.  They could benefit from all of your playing expertise against D1 players.

i'm sure there are good coaches out there who never played.

--You're sure?  You don't sound it.  lol

but i'm also sure there are plenty of bad ones.  then again, some former players are just awful coaches.

--True enough.  And I'd venture to guess that there are far more bad ones who have been players, simply because most who coach have also played.

--Dave

« Last Edit: July 03, 2015, 10:52:37 AM by CoachDP »
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2015, 11:34:55 AM »
apparently struck a nerve here, and didn't mean to offend anyone.

that said, I do stand by the idea that it is easier to coach football if you have actually played the game.  this young man has the opportunity to play and get that experience, he should avail himself to it. 

also, I have to say this:  if you have never played against a guy who is A LOT better than you, you really don't know what it's like.  I played two games against guys that got full boat DI scholarships, and I honestly think it's one of the most valuable experiences of my coaching career.  I see other coaches berating their guys because one of our best players is kicking their ass, even though their kid is trying.  and that's wrong.  I want to say, "coach, he can't block our guy, change his assignment or get him some help' but of course I don't.

i'm sure there are good coaches out there who never played.  but i'm also sure there are plenty of bad ones.  then again, some former players are just awful coaches.

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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2015, 11:42:07 AM »
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I believe really good managers make great coaches. The hardest part about coaching a Team is dealing with all of the different personalities.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of guys who are basically the low man at Burger King talking about how you have to have played.  OK, but maybe being in charge of something other than the fries timer once in your life would have helped, too.

(To be clear, I don't know if the fry machine actually has a timer that has to be set.  And if it does have one, I don't know if the fries guy actually sets it or if someone higher up does that.  And if anyone here ever worked at Burger King, can you explain why the shake machine always seems to be out of service?)
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2015, 11:48:59 AM »
Yeah, I've seen a lot of guys who are basically the low man at Burger King talking about how you have to have played.  OK, but maybe being in charge of something other than the fries timer once in your life would have helped, too.

(To be clear, I don't know if the fry machine actually has a timer that has to be set.  And if it does have one, I don't know if the fries guy actually sets it or if someone higher up does that.  And if anyone here ever worked at Burger King, can you explain why the shake machine always seems to be out of service?)

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Your BK too?....every time I want a shake with my cheeseburger....sorry its out of service.
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2015, 11:54:32 AM »
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Your BK too?....every time I want a shake with my cheeseburger....sorry its out of service.

It's ridiculous.  It's like every Burger King.  I stopped going.  I don't go to McDonald's much, but I don't go to Burger King at all.
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2015, 12:47:46 PM »
Lol. Wow. I think if u feel the need to respond to every sentence I write, taking each out of context, we can all agree I struck a nerve, ie you seem to have some existing insecurities about not ever playing the game you are teaching. Which is only natural. Which doesn't mean you can't coach.  Heck for all I know, u r Knute Rockne on wheels. I don't know and I don't care. I wasn't writing for you, I was responding to a young man who asked what he could do to further his coaching career.  And I think he ought to play. I think it would help him. 
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2015, 02:29:51 PM »
I wasn't writing for you, I was responding to a young man who asked what he could do to further his coaching career.

No, you were writing for (about) yourself.  If you were really interested in what he could do to advance his coaching career, you would have encouraged him to get his education, suggest that he volunteer to work with a collegiate program while pursuing his post-secondary education, attend clinics (local, Glazier, Nike and those offered by whatever local college/universities in his state), print up business cards and make as many contacts at clinics and camps as possible, volunteer to work football camps, learn video-editing, concentrate on a specific area of coaching expertise while still learning the entire game.  Learn the rules (forwards and backwards) specific to his desired level of football.  Learn to deal with parents and administrators and how to best communicate with them.  Learn structure, organization and detail.  Ask coaches what are their five top priorities for consistent success.  Learn to fund-raise.  And understand that simply playing the game doesn't qualify you to teach it.

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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2015, 06:00:02 PM »
now now boys gooooosfrabaaaaahhhh

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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2015, 08:48:23 PM »
I think i'll excuse myself from this thread, as I signed on to try to learn more on coaching and find some ideas that could help the team this year, not play keyboard Komando against a message board bully(does every message board have a guy like that, by the way?)

kid, good luck with your pursuit of coaching.  if you've learned anything from this thread, it's likely that coaching(like any profession) has some real A holes in it-try to avoid them!!
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2015, 08:59:22 PM »
Apparently another thing to learn is quit when folks disagree with you! 

Really?  Raise your hand if you have never been harshly overridden by anyone!! 

You inferred that a person MUST play to coach the game.  There are a few folks here at DumCoach who never played and are well respected for their coaching ability.  A few responded in such a manner as to correct your thinking and broaden your scope of thinking.
   
We dont all sit and sing Kumbaya!  You want to get better?  You want your team to get better?  I suggest ya pull up a chair and read.  Just sayin. 
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2015, 09:42:32 PM »
Apparently another thing to learn is quit when folks disagree with you! 

Really?  Raise your hand if you have never been harshly overridden by anyone!! 

You inferred that a person MUST play to coach the game.  There are a few folks here at DumCoach who never played and are well respected for their coaching ability.  A few responded in such a manner as to correct your thinking and broaden your scope of thinking.
   
We dont all sit and sing Kumbaya!  You want to get better?  You want your team to get better?  I suggest ya pull up a chair and read.  Just sayin. 
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I think i'll excuse myself from this thread, as I signed on to try to learn more on coaching and find some ideas that could help the team this year, not play keyboard Komando against a message board bully(does every message board have a guy like that, by the way?)

kid, good luck with your pursuit of coaching.  if you've learned anything from this thread, it's likely that coaching(like any profession) has some real A holes in it-try to avoid them!!
No need to excuse yourself. Your pov is actually important. It brings up the reality that a coach need not to have played a sport to coach it. Some people don't understand that and they need to. DP is one of the best coaches on this site and has the creds to prove it. He will also always call out bs if he thinks he sniffs it. Every coach on here has had a preconceived notion about something or another and was wrong. You either learn from being corrected or you don't, your choice.

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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2015, 06:30:06 AM »
I think I stated twice that I was wrong in that initial assertion.  if not, let me clarify, I WAS WRONG THAT PLAYING IS A NECESSITY.   


But it can be a help, and DP stated that too, so I guess there is a bit of common ground there.

in any case, I think further comment isn't helpful to the OP.
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2015, 07:00:09 AM »
   
We dont all sit and sing Kumbaya!  You want to get better?  You want your team to get better?  I suggest ya pull up a chair and read.  Just sayin. 
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you are absolutely right here.  and I will keep reading. 
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Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2015, 10:10:29 AM »
Rob:

I was told I was wrong once and discovered ,shortly thereafter, that I was merely mistaken.  Huge difference.  LOL

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