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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2014, 05:44:28 PM »
I remember it well.  I think ...ha ha.

Was back in the late 90s or maybe 2000.

I stumbled across infosports.net or whatever it was called back then. I think there was another place called "eteamz" and then the crowd at Delphi. 

I really didn't know any of those guys (and to this day, while some " know" me as an internet personality, I have not MET most of the guys face to face)  -

I can recall reading a post that had to do with running the double wing from different formations.  A coach had said that he was an I formation guy.   Well, I jumped right into the discussion and blah blah blah, next thing I know I am getting a new @#$%^& torn into me by Wade for suggesting that its fine to keep the beloved I formation and run double wing plays from it- afterall, Markham had started that way!  Lol, oh some of the flame wars over the years on that board were pretty bad.

On the plus side, we also had some great discussions there over the years. Lots of funny chalk talks, particularly from DC (wilkins) who could score six points against anything you could throw at him, in one play ha ha.
We had a half million post thread on "how to teach a reach block" that I recall.
Pretty sure there were wild threads about teaching "mojo" there ...way back when before Potter was a rockstar with his approach to practice.

That site had many problems at times, I think they may have even started looking for contributions from members? coltscoach, fish, jb, mahonz,  Wilkins,  carbon, potter, Malcolm, jack Gregory, destefano was around some... cisar and a few others that are still around here pretty much dominated the discussions.  We all pretty much floated about the Delphi forums and infosports- I cant remember what happened to infosports and how we ended up with dumcoach but I think it had something to do with archiving posts.

Its hard to believe that I have never met potter, mahonz...yet I "talk" to these guys more than some of my own family members.

Oh, the other forum that many of us visited  was www.bucksweep.com before it changed to a new board. For awhile some of us hung out at "double wing for dummies" which is still out there but I don't think its moderated or supported much these days.   Hueys  xs and os wasn't around yet....several of us helped build that place before it got too big for its britches. (ie I put their link in all of my double wing illustrated emags)


Steve

Do you remember Toby's White Board? That is how I crossed paths with Malcolm who told me about InfoSports and how I met all of the old timers like you.

If I remember correctly...Al at InfoSports was about to change direction and close up Shop as a Message Board Site so Dumcoach was formed.

What I remember most about those early days....lots and lots of posts from June to Nov....then maybe one post a day from Dec to May. I guess we all had lives back then.  :P
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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2014, 05:52:09 PM »
I do remember the white board.

I still have one on my war room forum, every now and again someone draws on it like they are drawing on a bathroom stall, whatever floats your boat I guess.

Hueys had a good white board going for awhile where guys would do clinics there.   

The information boom really took off with youtube....the ability to share video....and now hudl.....its really changed....and FAST.
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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2014, 09:34:13 AM »
I always enjoy hearing old timers talkin about the good ole days.  ;)
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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2014, 09:36:07 AM »
I always enjoy hearing old timers talkin

Sheesh.  Kids today... ::)

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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2014, 09:51:02 AM »
Sheesh.  Kids today... ::)

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LOL, gotta give you guys a hard time :)
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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2014, 10:03:04 AM »
LOL, gotta give you guys a hard time :)


That was back when we all thought we had all of the answers too. Some of us still do, but some now realize we don't know a daggone thing.
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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2014, 10:12:19 AM »
Well, I, for one am thankful for the "old timers" and their willingness to stick it out. Because of you guys, there are a lot better coaches in the world. Just think of how many coaches you guys influence.. between active members here, and the lurkers.. that's a ton. And even if they only take away one piece of wisdom, they're better for it!

I say THANKS to all of you guys.. I have learned so much from all of you!!
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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2014, 10:19:29 AM »
A few years back a couple of guys e-mailed me about this forum

They said someone (Brian- Coltscoach) was saying that the reason my record was so good was because I was commissioner of the league and was setting all the schedules up so my teams would have easy matchups. Typical stuff these days in the US- when someone fails they try to tear down those who don't.

Well I had to come in and correct him- Ive been asked but never been on a League Board Member aka chicken head as Mike calls them, not my thing. The leagues I've always had my teams in were well run and saw no need- AND too busy doing my own thing.

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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2014, 12:00:45 PM »
Mr Cisar does your youth league feeder into 1, 2 or more high schools? Are those HS D1 or D2 or smaller? And do you have any kids that are D1 college kids now. I ask because our league has many D1 kids in college now and is very competitive. I was just a year or 2 away from coaching kids in the NFL now...Another part to my question  to you is are there any D1 or D2 programs out there running single wing?

The closest we get to contrary offense around so cal is

Norwalk / D3 / double wing
Tustin D3 / double wing
La Serna / D3 / wing T as part of a multi offense
Chaminade / D1 / has a DW installed as part of a multi offense

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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2014, 12:10:06 PM »
Not sure with what that has to do with anything

In Omaha- my kids fed into 8 different Class A High Schools- largest in the state. I had about 400 kids at one time- in then largest league in state
That's open enrollment town- Yes we had quite a few DI kids come through- 2 from one season
2 of my former players are at NU now- others at Ohio U, elsewhere
Same league that Johnny Rodgers, Dave Rimington, Ahman Green and Eric Crouch played in
In the league we play in now which is now largest in the state- ONE TEAM had 6 kids on the NU roster last year- 2 of them started last year Spencer Long, Trevor Roach-

Since I moved all the kids feed into a Class B HS- 2nd largest in the state- they played for a State Title in 2012 and got beat in the playoffs this year by the eventual champions

Many very successful High School teams including Apopka- who is an 8 A- largest class team In Florida run Single Wing- they play against teams that have 3-4-5-6 DI players on nearly every team

What matters is youth football- and there have been dozens of Pop Warner and AYF teams using my system right out of the box who have won National Titles- that is considered like ours, to be good football.

If you are having a tough time because youre "different"- good management and winning usually solve about everything
They also like to travel and win non league tournaments- that seems to keep the natives happy
« Last Edit: April 03, 2014, 12:14:58 PM by davecisar »
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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2014, 12:54:28 PM »
dont misunderstand my intention, I am not knocking you or your system....heck it aint spread  I LIKE IT!

I was asking because you run the single wing. If I was going for the A team with my 11/12 yr olds and during the coaching interview I mentioned I was installing the single wing....I would never get that HC position. The DW would be meet with same skepticism. I know, I ran a direct snap hybrid of single wing /dw and scored 240 pts that yr, #1 in our chapter and in the top 3 of scoring offenses in passed few years. When we lost a game the HC wanted to "change it up", even a board member approached me "so your experiment didn't work out so good, what are ya gonna do now"

Only seen a couple of teams run it, less than 1% of the teams I have seen run DW or single wing combined. So to say the least neither are popular in So cal. Now to carry that up thru the high school ranks, I dont recall ever seeing any HS team ever running single wing in so cal??? There is only 2 or 3 in all of so cal running the DW.

I didnt know about your talent pool because the most common reason I hear on "why we are now running the spread" is...if we dont the talented skilled positions will all transfer to the nearest school that does" these kids all think their shot at college is a scholarship and there is no way in hell a D1 kid in any position will be showcased well in a SW or DW offense"..so its fear of loosing your talent??????????

I think cream will rise but hey I also like running wedge so in these parts  I WALK ALONE!!!!

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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2014, 01:12:09 PM »
I understand, no worries

By my count- at informal surveys Ive done at about 50-60 coaches clinics- about 3% of youth teams run SW- most people like you do view that as an advantage. I do a clinic in S Cal every year and we do well there. One of the guys Mark Cupp won a Worst to First Coach of the YEar award from there. He coached in Chino- did a worst to first deal there in Pop Warner with it in his first year coaching there.

As to HS football- maybe not in SC, but you will see it in other parts of the country, we have 3 HS teams in Nebraska running it. Same seems to be true for a number of HS teams across the country. Zach Darlington was Apopkas QB- he had about a dozen DI offers- he chose Nebraska. Yes, Rick ran more Spread SW Zachs Junior year- they threw more than they usually do. Personally I like throwing the ball- 2 of my QBs have gone to the Slack camp- we usually lead the league in TD throws. We have another program that runs a "traditional" offense right in our complex and another one close by- I don't think weve ever lost a QB or Receiver because of our offense- I coach youth football, I don't really care what the HS teams are running for the most part.

It is what it is- you have to abide by their selection criteria- tell you what to do
That's  one of the reasons why Ive run my own program and been a head coach for the last 17 years- different equation ;D

Both of the kids I have at NU now were RBs in HS
The year we had 2 kids on same team go DI- they were Linemen

We aggressively coach our throwers using the Darrin Slack method- our guys do a very nice job with it
Same for RB and Receiver Fundys- we do about 60 minutes of indys at every practice- no one can match what we do with those kids around here
After 1 practice- they can see we are light years ahead of many. Then add in the team chemistry/character things we do- really hard for anyone to leave
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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2014, 01:15:09 PM »
dont misunderstand my intention, I am not knocking you or your system....heck it aint spread  I LIKE IT!

I was asking because you run the single wing. If I was going for the A team with my 11/12 yr olds and during the coaching interview I mentioned I was installing the single wing....I would never get that HC position. The DW would be meet with same skepticism. I know, I ran a direct snap hybrid of single wing /dw and scored 240 pts that yr, #1 in our chapter and in the top 3 of scoring offenses in passed few years. When we lost a game the HC wanted to "change it up", even a board member approached me "so your experiment didn't work out so good, what are ya gonna do now"

Only seen a couple of teams run it, less than 1% of the teams I have seen run DW or single wing combined. So to say the least neither are popular in So cal. Now to carry that up thru the high school ranks, I dont recall ever seeing any HS team ever running single wing in so cal??? There is only 2 or 3 in all of so cal running the DW.

I didnt know about your talent pool because the most common reason I hear on "why we are now running the spread" is...if we dont the talented skilled positions will all transfer to the nearest school that does" these kids all think their shot at college is a scholarship and there is no way in hell a D1 kid in any position will be showcased well in a SW or DW offense"..so its fear of loosing your talent??????????

I think cream will rise but hey I also like running wedge so in these parts  I WALK ALONE!!!!


The single wing helped put Tim Tebo in the NFL.
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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2014, 11:46:13 PM »
way back when before Potter was a rockstar

Y'know, my amplifier goes all the way up to 11.

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Re: How did you come across the Dumcoach Forum?
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2014, 06:02:42 AM »
Y'know, my amplifier goes all the way up to 11.

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Coach Potter,

I was hoping you would not have to mention the little amplifier 'aid' we old chaps have to wear in our ear.

Oh! This wasn't about being old anymore was it?

Maybe I should get my reading glasses and go through this thread again...

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